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What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor?

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TWM

09-19-2005 21:08:36




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M5, U302, or M602? Or something bigger?

I was told MM's weren't good for a loader tractor. Was told IH/Farmall's were better.

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Mike (WA)

09-26-2005 12:22:04




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-19-2005 21:08:36  
I have a 4 Star, but my loader tractor is an IH 504, and it would be hard to beat. It has 2 hydraulic pumps- a 12 GPM, which has a 3 GPM priority valve for the power steering, and the remainder to the auxilliary remotes (loader), and another 5 GPM pump for the 3 point and draft control. Steering never gets hard, loader always has plenty of soup, and draft control on 3 point is unaffected by either one. Works great.

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TWM

09-26-2005 12:34:17




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mike (WA), 09-26-2005 12:22:04  
Sounds good. What vintage and size is a 504?

Another tractor that i'm thinking of is a 1--5 series MF (i.e. 1085-1105-1135). Would have a cab for winter (could be used for snowblowing), and wouldn't have to take the duals off our 2745 for snowblowing and planting. I sure loved the way that the 1155 ran and I liked the looks and cab features better than our 2745. I liked the trans better as well as it didn't have the troublesome 3x multipower. I think i'd like something with a cab. Also it seems the I6's heat up better than the V8's (and start better), so it would be a better tractor to run in the winter.

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Mopower

09-20-2005 04:58:33




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-19-2005 21:08:36  
I would think that the best loader tractor would be a Jet Star 3 Super. I have used a Jet Star 2 with a Swartz loader as long as I've been driving tractors. The reason MM gets a bad rap is their power steering can get slow on earlier models. The hydraulic action on the loader is not as fast as some other brands, however I think all the Super series had much better hydraulics. I would not trade my Jet 2 for ANYTHING. I love it and it could lift a house, just not as fast as maybe a light lift on a later Farmall or Deere. I think a M670 Super would be hard to beat for a large machine too.

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TWM

09-20-2005 06:04:36




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 04:58:33  
What do you think about the JetStar's with loaders, or what's your opinion on them (i.e why are they good)? I was told something about the clutches or clutch pedal not being good on some of the models. I was looking into a 856 or 986 IH also. Woulda FWA tractor be a good loader tractor? I love the M670's for the strength, power, and operator comfort. What does the diesel model put out for HP?

I think my U had a loader on it once as the cultivator brackets were torched off a bit and new brackets were welded on above them. It would seem like they would have decent hydraulics, but be awkward without foot clutch and power steering.

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Mopower

09-20-2005 06:51:06




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-20-2005 06:04:36  
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I think the Jet Stars are great, but the later pumps like a Jet Star 2 were much much better. I feel that the clutch on my Jet 2 works excellent. It just seems to fit and feel right. I can ease in to something very smoothly unlike older models. FWA would be good if your turning radius was ok. Newer Deere models turn sharp and make excellent FWA loaders. I believe a M670 diesel was about 75 h.p. I had one and am looking at a Super right now. Dad used a UTU to clean barns as a child. It was not even close to todays machines, but as with most things, you learn tricks to get the job done quick as possible. Here is a pic of my Jet 2. Not pretty, but oooh so very handy.

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TWM

09-20-2005 10:25:00




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 06:51:06  
Looks like it would be pretty handy! I know someone who had a Jet Star 2 w/ loader and he said that he couldn't complain about it. Do they have the clutch like the 4 Star's or 445's?

Do you think something of the M series would be too big? Gosh, that gives a broad range now that I think of it. It would be nice for a guy to have two-three loaders. One of the smaller variety like the 445 or JS2, then something larger when you need the weight and HP. What would you think of a UB or M602 with loader? I had a UB that had loader brackets and a Char-Lynn PS unit on it. I scrapped the brackets and PS unit, and restored the tractor. I wouldn't go with the UB, because by the time you're up in the seat and comfortable you could have been done with what you needed to do with something like the JS2.

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Mopower

09-20-2005 10:31:29




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-20-2005 10:25:00  
The Jet clutch is like a 4-star, not like a 5* or 445. Those are a little goffy because of the up/down action. Dad is considering putting one on his M5. An M602 would be ok too, but a UB would need a good engineer to get user friendly controls and such, not to mention a much better pump. I am on and off the Jet 2 so quick, the job gets done fast. The older gear pumps on the early 4-star, jet star, 445, 5*, etc are slow and weaker. The Jet 3 Super is another hydraulic "step up" yet.

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TWM

09-20-2005 11:39:39




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 10:31:29  
Wow, just looked at a few pics of the JS's. They sure do look easy to get on and off. Utility tractor none-the-less.

Not to bother you more :-), but what do you think about a setup on a U302 or M5? I haven't been around any MM's besides earlier letter series tractors, 4*'s, 5*'s, and M670's. Is an M5 pretty similar to a M602?

Thanks Ethan!



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Mopower

09-20-2005 11:45:00




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-20-2005 11:39:39  
Bug me all you want. I love talkin' MM. The M5 is almost identical to the M602 mechanically. The headlights are in the grill instead of the fenders like the M602. A U302 is similar to a Jet 3 except a bigger bore on the engine and tall tires. Both would make an excellent tractor, but they do stand taller in case you have overhanging limbs or low cielings. There is a nice restored U302 advertised on this site with a loader on it.

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TWM

09-20-2005 12:02:12




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 11:45:00  
Anything's got to be better than a Farmall M with a trip-bucket loader. I love running the M670, and love the style of it. Love operating it as well, very comfortable. I haven't ran a constellation series-sized tractor in awhile.

Here's another thing to ponder on. What's overkill for HP on a loader tractor? I've heard of G1000's with loaders, IH Hydro 186's, even the new C/IH tractors with MFWD come with loaders. I've even pondered a MF 1135, or an IH 1256 or 856 with a loader. Overkill? I supposed depends upon what your using the loader for. The farm I work on has a IH Hydro 186 with a Dual loader and a IH Hydro 656 with a Westendorf loader that they use for feed work. Mainly the 656 but if it's raining or winter then the 186 gets used. Might be trading off for a newer C/IH MX series with MFWD with loader. I'm curious to see what happens. Now days you see a lot of bigger tractors with loaders.

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Mopower

09-20-2005 12:07:16




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-20-2005 12:02:12  
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You got me there. My jobs are small and mainly for lifting tires and engines around the yard. I moved a double load of compost around the other day. Dad used one Jet 2 in cattle barns back in the 1960s. I'm not up on big scale farming. My frind has a 1256 with a Westendorf and quick attach forks on it. NICE!!! (but big) Here is a Jet that I put a trip bucket on.

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ILL John

09-20-2005 18:13:39




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 12:07:16  
Ethan, What's the white stuff on the tractor and how come it's only on the top side? I use a '62 Big Mo 400/Duall loader, it'll lift #3000, could use the shuttle and a A/T, but it's a great loader. John



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TWM

09-20-2005 18:53:29




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to ILL John, 09-20-2005 18:13:39  
I was just going to bring up....I wonder what the Big Mo's are like for loader tractors. Don't see many MM's here at all for some reason. You would think since it's MN that they would be plentiful, but it seems only the letter series tractors are found around here, if anything. Collectors buying all of them up? Tractors never traded in? :-)



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Brian(MN)

09-24-2005 17:08:49




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to TWM, 09-20-2005 18:53:29  
MMs plentiful in Minnesota? Not around here. Small farmers have all but disapeared and the big farmers don't even look at MMs.
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TWM

09-24-2005 18:11:34




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor? in reply to Brian(MN), 09-24-2005 17:08:49  
I agree. There may be a couple here and there that are still used, or a couple here and there that are parked somewhere, and the rest are owned by collectors parked away somewhere. Not a lot used but a few here and there. Also the fact that the implements are few are far between, leaves a lot to be desired. MF implements are also getting to be few and far between. People are probably also realizing that in order to get a tractor part, they also have to pay a collector price as there the only ones who own the things. Better off going with C/IH, JD, or F/NH.

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Mopower

09-20-2005 06:52:05




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 Re: What Would Make The Best Loader Tractor?pic in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 06:51:06  
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Mopower

09-20-2005 06:53:44




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 Re: Jet 2 pic in reply to Mopower, 09-20-2005 06:52:05  
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here's the pic



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