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Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice?

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Douglass

05-05-2005 18:59:58




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I need to rebuild my very tired 47 UTU engine. Right now It has about 40psi of compression on each cylinder. AND STILL RUNS!. I want to rebuild it, but don"t want to spend $900.

I heard once before, you can use GMC truck pistons with minor alterations in a MM R. It has been a while since I heard that, but I thought you only had to bore out the wrist pin a little more.

I figure very common GMC pistons probably are far cheaper than MM pistons. So is there any tricks like this for a U engine?

I need to bore it out .020 to .040. Is there a common piston that would be available from Napa. If not, where can you get oversized pistons for a U.

Also how much can you shave the head and or block. I would like to raise the compression to about 7.5:1 . Would there be a problem with that. On other U"s, I noticed that the piston only comes within about 1/4 inch of the top of the block. Could a person safely shave the block along with the head for higher compression?

Thanks for any advice. I need to start working on that very tired engine sometime soon.

BTW: It has been converted to 12 volts so starting with higher compression isn"t going to be that much a problem.

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Bobl1958

05-06-2005 11:48:17




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Douglass, 05-05-2005 18:59:58  
I know you want to stay cheap, but if you can't come up with anything I think I might have a NOS block for a U. Thanks-Bob



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EdP

05-06-2005 11:17:45




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Douglass, 05-05-2005 18:59:58  
Find some good used 4 1/4 blocks and pistons. There are plenty of pullers that have them setting around because they went to bigger blocks. You can also find used M&W 4 3/8 pistons. Dont waste your time milling the heads or blocks. Just advance you cam one tooth. You will gain more compression with the cam than any milling.



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Prairie Gold

05-06-2005 10:18:52




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Douglass, 05-05-2005 18:59:58  
Wish I could help ya. Curious as to what other people say.



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Jerry Cent Mi.

05-06-2005 15:55:05




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Prairie Gold, 05-06-2005 10:18:52  
I have heard of advancing the cam one tooth before. Is there a way to do this without tearing the engine down? Jerry



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EdP

05-06-2005 19:24:31




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Jerry Cent Mi., 05-06-2005 15:55:05  
Pull the front pulley. Remove the water pump. Use a 3 jaw gear puller to remove the cam gear. Turn crankshaft backwards 1 tooth. Put gear back on. Put back together.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

05-07-2005 06:06:10




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to EdP, 05-06-2005 19:24:31  
Thanks Ed. I couldn't get my crank pulley off without removing the whole front end of the tractor. Would changing the cam timing also apply to the 403 motor? Jerry



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Jake Winn

05-09-2005 12:03:03




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 Re: Rebuilding a U engine cheaply, any advice? in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 05-07-2005 06:06:10  
What is the big change with advancing the cam? Wouldnt that throw the valve train way out of time where the valves are opening at the wrong time, or does it allow more air/fuel in beacause the intake vavles are opening sooner? Thanks for any more info.



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