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Moline Gtb Overheating

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D Schuman

04-07-2005 21:11:31




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Can anyone help me with some advice on a overheating problem on my Gtb? I thought the thermostat was sticking as the temp was going up to 225-230 degrees so I removed it. Still same problem. There seems to be no circulation thru the radiator as the top is hot but bottom cold.
Line coming off the bottom of radiator to water pump is cool. The section of hose between the two necks at the top seem to be collapsing as the tractor runs. think I have a water pump problem or a clogged radiator. Just bought tractor in Feb.

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JLM

04-08-2005 18:26:32




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 Re: Moline Gtb Overheating in reply to D Schuman, 04-07-2005 21:11:31  
I have a GB. Sounds like your radiator is stopped up. My GB has two drain plugs at the bottom sides of the radiator tank. With a cold engine remove them and flush the radiator with a water hose. Use a nozzle and put pressure from the bottom and the top until you get good flow. Mine had so much gunk in the bottom that Nothing came out when I removed the plugs. Gentle prodding started a flow and rusty gunk came out. Even on a properly working cooling system, the bottom of a G radiator takes a while to warm up, but after 10- 15 minutes it does.

Another tip to help the thermostat open is to drill a small hole in the middle of the outside flange before installing it. 1/16 inch is large enough, but no larger than 1/8 inch will do. You want just enough water to constantly flow by the thermostat so that the hot water from the engine will get to it and slowly open it. Otherwise the thermostat on a cold engine will remain closed too long waiting for the heat from the engine to activate it, then it will open suddenly overflowing coolant. Then the cold water will hit it and close it again and the process repeats until all the coolant is warm enought to keep it open. The problem is that the thermostat being located in the radiator is located too far from the engine to work properly on a cold engine. Back in the 50's all thermostats had this small hole in the flange, but replacements today do not.

I would recommend you not leave the thermostat out forever as they are needed to keep the engine operating efficiently, especially on LP tractors with the hot water going through the LP system to heat the LP. Either buy a new thermostat or check yours to make sure it is opening. You can do that by boiling some water in the kitchen and dropping it in. It should open immediately. Be careful you don't get caught using the good cookware.

I would try the above mentioned radiator flushing, then check hoses to make sure they are not collapsed internally. That should improve your flow if the water pump is working properly. Usually water pumps work and are not the problem. They usually start leaking as a problem, but they still work.

Maybe someone else has other suggestions.

Let us know how you come out.
John

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dschuman

04-10-2005 20:33:57




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 Re: Moline Gtb Overheating in reply to JLM, 04-08-2005 18:26:32  
Thanks for the advice it helped. Come to find out after more checking and some help from my friend the Case guy,we discovered the water pump impeller was not turning. The brass nut on the impeller had a piece missing and the pin had sliped or broken. The shaft threads were dtripped pretty bad also. We managed to get a good cotter pin in it to make it operate for now and make sure all else seems to be ok. I will now need to rebuild the pump before I use it too much.

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