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Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion?

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JKC

02-13-2005 07:36:42




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I own what I consider two "nice original" MM implements. One is a 3-bottom AF plow on steel wheels, the other an LS 300 manure spreader. Both of these implements have obviously been stored inside most all of their life and have their original paint, somewhat faded. The plow even has the very visible model & part numbers painted (stenciled) onto the cast parts. I am interested in others opinions on the value of these implements in their original conditions vs. restoring them to beautiful sharp colors for show purposes. Now, when I use the word "value", please understand that I have no intentions of holding these items for monetary gain. My goal is to keep them housed inside and take them to local shows, perhaps someday develope a "museum" or sorts here on my farm, then pass them on down to my children. So, the "value" I am talking about is mainly for their worth to those who will view them at shows, or later on in a museum. I know that when I go to a show, I am always attracted to the new, sharp colors of those restored implements. I am just wondering what the rest of you think. I look forward to your opinions, and the REASONS for them.

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JKC

02-17-2005 08:41:56




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I want to thank everyone who responded to my question about keeping things original or restoring them when they have good original paint on them. The responses were interesting and I got a feel how many of you feel about it. Thanks again!



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balerman

02-15-2005 18:45:26




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I have a ZB 54 repainted also AF 3 bt Hyd plow also repainted also AF 4-14 hyd & a 3Bt. mech lift.We have a museum at our fair grounds & the people like the ones that are painted. Iam the vice pres.of the museum. thank you. However if your equt.isas good paint dont paintit.



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Jay5

02-14-2005 19:14:02




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
Anyone can have a restored item, but there are only so many unrestored tractors, implements, etc that are in outstanding condition. I have an IH T-20 crawler that still has original paint on the tracks and would never paint it. Some people like seeing everything all restored and shiny, but that would be more of the same. As long as an item is in good original condition, leave it that way. I hate it when you see people restore something that is in such condition since they aren"t making anymore of them.

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dr.sportster

02-14-2005 08:43:30




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
In my opinion there is nothing better than seeing an item the way it came out of the factory.Besides if everone restores then all original references are lost.I agree with the Antique Roadshow analogy.I will spend the most time looking at an original piece at a show compared to restored because I know thats the way it really was.That is far more interesting to me than all the glossy paint in the place.

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Todder

02-13-2005 19:39:59




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I'm all for leaving it origional. I think of it as that old piece of furniture that you see on the antique roadshow. Restored(worth $20000) Origional (worth $100000). Anyways as long as we are saving the past that's a great thing..... .
Todder



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Clyde

02-13-2005 17:59:46




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
Maintain as is, please. It's relatively easier to find things that need to be redone. Clean original can't be reproduced; just respected, cleaned up, and maintained. My 25 cents.



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Roger in Ks

02-13-2005 16:08:08




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
First of all, glad to hear someone else is saving the older implements. I take implements to our local show. They draw as much attention as the tractors. Most of mine are the way they came out of the field. I do have 2 - LS 300 spreaders restored with new paint. When I got them the wood was completely rotted off. New boards = new paint. My personal opinion, do whatever you want. Either way you will hear about it from both sides. My father bought a 550 Oliver new. As soon as the warranty ran out he mounted a Propane tank on the front. A hitch was added to the tank-mounting frame so the tractor and sickle mower could be pulled to distant hay fields. When I restored the tractor the LP tank was given a new coat of paint along with the rest of the tractor. Most people criticize me for leaving the LP tank on the tractor. I can't tell you how many times I've heard - It's not original. Maybe it's not. But for 20 years the 550 and mower were moved from field to field behind the Ole Blue Ford pickup. And that's the way I display it at shows - Pickup, 550 Oliver and Mower. Do whatever works for you, but make sure you display it at shows.

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Leroy

02-13-2005 13:53:31




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I understand that there is a product avaible to dealers to spray on faded machinery they get in to brighten the paint so it will sell better, don't know what it is called or anything else about it other than it might brighten up your pieces to make them show better and still keep them orignal and if they still have the stencils readable it would be nice for the members of this board and others if you could take close up color photos of all the identifying markings with sizes and post so others that want to restore can have a good guidline to go with

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Kevin Bauza

02-13-2005 13:05:17




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I am a big believer in original. I wish more shows would place more emphasis on this. For a rust bucket restorer, having an original to view as a pattern is valuable. VERY FEW PEOPLE accomplish restoring back to original condition. Most of the time the color is incorrect, or the paint is TOO GOOD, etc



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Jeff Oliver

02-13-2005 11:03:08




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
I agree with the others. i have an Oliver Raydex plow that still has the stenciling on it. I thought about restoring it and repainting but then decided I liked it original better. Plus I use it for plow days so the paint would just get messed up anyway. We have a B JD that was only used to plow tobacco and kept in shed all the time. was a nice old original tractor with little wear. After alot of thought dad decided to go ahead and repaint it. It is a a really great looking tractor now but I do kinda wish we had left it like it was. It got alot of good comments as original at the shows...

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Kevin Moschenrose

02-13-2005 08:53:06




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to JKC, 02-13-2005 07:36:42  
Here is my take on it. I think that a tractor and or equipment like what your talking about is I personally think it should be left alone. I have been to sales that had tractors with very good original paint on them and I think it would be a crime to re paint them. I know it is great to go places and see all that equipment lined up and painted nice. I own quite a few tractors all painted or going for the re-paint now. Painting is a one way street and once you start down it there is no return. Finding good equipment in original paint is harder and harder to come by and tells the test of time on it too. Now if it isn't fading so bad yet like you stated, I would leave it alone. If it was rust and on sheet metal well that's a whole different ball game there. I think the unrestored equipment does sell better as well. I know you don't want to sell yours but the point I am making is that it is wanted more left alone. I have more opinions on this and will love to talk off board because I don't want to be a hawg here! Email me if you like it is open. I too have an LS300 in original state.

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Kelvin

02-13-2005 09:33:25




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to Kevin Moschenrose, 02-13-2005 08:53:06  
I agree with Kevin. If the paint is fairly good original, keep it. If its a rust bucket, paint it.

As far as buying used stuff goes, I'd rather see well worn and rusty than well worn, with new paint.



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Ol Chief

02-13-2005 19:45:15




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 Re: Original vs. Restored - Your Opinion? in reply to Kelvin, 02-13-2005 09:33:25  
Just a thought on this topic.If some of you have older stuff that looks almost dead but you do not want to repaint, yet would like to breath a little new life into ,in most cases it is possible.Ospho or phosphoric acid in dilute solution will reduce the oxides to make an old paint job look great' I must say that I am not at all familiar with it's reaction on decals so do advise caution.The decals can possibly be left free of acid if a careful coat of vaseline is applied to them. If you want to check this out I suggest trying a cut back solution with 50 percent water. Apply to an inconspicuous area.Brush on the solution,let sit about twenty minutes and flush well with soap and water .This stuff will attack the rusted areas and will leave a white coating in those spots so you will need to wash off w/ soap Those areas will turn black and will not rust again even if out in the weather for several weeks.In addition, Case Company used to sell a clear coat in spray cans to dress up old paint jobs.Probably for use on resale items.I think it was Krylon with a Case label.

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