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Larry in Southe

01-24-2005 19:38:00




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Have a U that is siezed. Any advice, some say to try coke. Will that work.




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Mike S 806/H

01-29-2005 16:33:26




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
olive oil!!! worked for me



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dph

01-26-2005 08:53:28




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
Larry: Here's what someone told me once. The problem with oil in the cylinder is that it is lighter than water and doesn't penetrate well. Carb cleaner, on the other hand, is heavier and it will eat rust. I guy I know swears by it. Good Luck, let us know how you come out.



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Kelvin

01-25-2005 18:53:10




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
One thing nobody mentioned was you need to get some idea how badly its stuck. its different for an engine that sits dry and the rings rust to the cylinders from an engine that has sat for years with an uncovered exhaust. You don't need to be as rough on an engine that is dry stuck as one that has had lots of water in the cylinders.

I might try the coke idea if its dry stuck. Its dandy for cleaning rusty carburetors. If it wouldn't come free in 3-4 days I would try to siphon as much coke out as I could and dilute the rest with water.

You try these at YOUR own risk: These are just things I have tried. I would try the soaking ideas first:

1. piece of post on top of piston and hit with big sledge.

2. 8 ton hydraulic jack on post on piston, heavy duty chain across top of jack and around oil pan. [ You can break a chain so be careful] If it moves, it will usually bring the other block off the crankcase so you have to swap betwee pistons and throws on the crank. Cylinder 1&4 are on one throw, cylinder 2&3 on the other.

These two worked on a 403 and a 283 that were stuck.

3. I have also soaked stuck engines in food grade olive oil to loosen them up.

4. I soaked some really stuck R blocks free with CLR (Calcium,Lime, and Rust remover). Got the pistons out O.K. after a few days witha curved bar and hammer, but the CLR left the rusty area above the pistons pitted. One block was open all the way into the water gallery, but may have been freeze damaged before I started.

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Hoot

01-25-2005 10:56:17




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
I have a UTS that had sat for 33 years with no cover on the exhaust. The manifold was a crumbling lump of rust and, of course, it was stuck big time.
I was not in a hurry so over a period of a couple of years pulled the sparkies and dumped some Marvel Mystery Oil in each cylinder. When I went to rebuild the engine it came apart with no fuss at all. I have also read that if you can suspend a weight on the hand crank so that some torque is applied it will accelerate the freeing, plus you will know it is free when one day you look and note that the weight has rotated to the ground. I suppose the sody pop idea is OK if you are in a hurry. Most of them have phosphoric acid in them, which is the same ingredient (more dilute)as is in Naval Jelly rust remover.

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Andy2

01-25-2005 10:36:32




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
I've had luck with automatic transmision fluid. When I change fluid and filter I save the old fluid for siezed engines. Fill the cylenders up and give it a week or two.



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moli

01-25-2005 05:21:06




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
Just to remind you.....DONT forget thers alot of pressure in the cyl your workin on..so be very very carful when you take the airhose off,the pressure in the cyl will come out the airfitting...cover it with a rag or youll take a bath...



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Mopower

01-25-2005 05:14:53




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
I have two tips. Because a Z engine is different from a U, some guys pump cylinders full of grease and the presure moves the piston. Also, better than Coke, use DIET orange pop. This will polish up almost anything but it has to be diet. Do not leave it in there if it is going to freeze, but it should work in a relatively short time. It eats rust and corrosion for dinner.



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old

01-24-2005 20:04:03




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to Larry in Southern MB, 01-24-2005 19:38:00  
I'd never use coke have you seen what it will do to a nail that is left in it for a few days, you will not find much of the nail. That siad I always use a mix of tranny fluid and turpentine, I put the tranny fluid in and wait a couple of days then top it off with turpentine. NOT paint thinner but the real turpentine. Done that with at least ten engines and has always worked for me.



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moli

01-25-2005 04:55:59




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 Re: Siezed U in reply to old, 01-24-2005 20:04:03  
Mine was seized when i got it too...this is what i did....loosen up all your rockers so the valves are closed, spray them down really good with PB blaster, free all or somthing of the like.Tap on the top of the valves with a rubber mallett, thell make a clunk when there seated.....Pull all your sparkplugs and knock the guts outta one.....weld an air fitting into the plug opposit end of the threads ( i hope you have an aircompressor)spray lots of PB blaster,free all or the like into each cyl.Put your plug in and run about 150 psi into cyl till your compressor comes back on then move onto the next cyl..use 2 full cans on 4 cyl..some times if you drain the oil out of the pan youll be able to tell if the freeall or what ever your usin is comin by the rings cause it comes out the bottom..rock it carefully....let me know what happens..Steve

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