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Kirk C,

01-01-2005 13:37:39




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when did MM start having the wheel,s red,
W/ natural rim,s?
& when did they stop this/
Maybe late Fiftie,s?
K



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Hoot

01-05-2005 13:49:38




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 Re: MInnie detail,s in reply to Kirk C,, 01-01-2005 13:37:39  
In looking at the books about MM that I have on hand this question of when the wheels with a silver rim and red center starts doesn't seem to have a simple answer. The Peterson/Beemer MM book shows lots of photos that are rather conflicting, and in some cases may represent restorers whim as much as what was original...but not necessarily. For example it shows 2 (different?) 1938 UTIs (pg 61 and 67) that have silver rims. It also shows a '41 UTU (pg 73)and a '44 GTA with silver rims.
on the other hand it also has a '49 RTE (pg 46) with all red wheels and rims. The photo (black and white)of the factory floor at the Lake Street plant stated as being taken in '48 shows the various Zs being assembled with all red wheels but has a U in the foreground with what appear to be silver rims (and wheel weights). Again, my '47 UTS has the original wheels which have silver rims.
It would appear that various models came from the factory with different wheel paint schemes.
The "when did it end" question seems easier to answer. When they switched to the yellow and brown (yuk) paint scheme in 1960 the wheels seem to all be the yellow color.

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BMG

01-05-2005 14:57:40




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 Re: MInnie detail,s in reply to Hoot, 01-05-2005 13:49:38  
Hoot,
There's a reason the R and Z have all red rims. Their rims have a riveted in stamped steel center section. The whole rim and center was painted red because they in effect were one part. The U and G series have a cast center with a bolted on galvanized outer rim. Hence the centers were painted red but the rim was it's natural galvanized color. It's arguable but in general the U and G series would have come with a galvanized rim as paint does not stick to galvanizing that well. Some restorers choose to paint their rims red. It's their choice. You have to remember that Moline was trying to make money and painting parts that didn't need it like galvanized rims was not a good idea. Just my two cents there.

Brian

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Hoot

01-06-2005 05:23:25




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 Re: MInnie detail,s in reply to BMG, 01-05-2005 14:57:40  
Brian, Thanks for your input. I certainly don't profess any expertise on the subject and only responded when it didn't look like anybody else was going to.The bit about the riveted rims makes sense, though I note at least one photo in the aforementioned book of an Avery V (pg 74) with riveted rims that the restorer took great pains to paint silver,and various models (including all of the UDLXs shown) with separate rims all painted red. I guess the real question here is when MM started galvanizing rims. I don't know but would guess that it was in/about 1938, since that is the earliest I see any on tractors in books. Somebody who has seen more tractors than I have might well know better.

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BMG

01-06-2005 14:56:24




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 Re: MInnie detail,s in reply to Hoot, 01-06-2005 05:23:25  
The UDLXs seem to be the exception to the rule with their red rims. The MM/Avery V uses the same rim as a farmall cub so the outer rim could be painted seperately. I'm not sure if the earlier Avery V had a different rear rim setup or not. It's hard to tell in all the old black and white photos of MM/Twin City tractors built before 1938 to tell if the rims are galvanized or not. The color grey used on those pre 1938 tractors is pretty close to galvanizing so its hard to distinguish in b&w photos. I don't claim to be an expert either. Just doing like you - sharing what knowledge I've picked up over the years.

Brian

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Hoot

01-04-2005 13:43:26




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 Re: MInnie detail,s in reply to Kirk C,, 01-01-2005 13:37:39  
I have some MM books somewhere that talk about the initial change to Prairie Gold, which I believe included the red wheels at the same time.... Seems to me it was in the 30's
I know my '47 UTS has the original red wheels on it.



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