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UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD

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mbd

12-29-2004 09:59:34




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Hello fellows. I would like to know your opinions on a comparison of MM UTS, John Deere Model G, Farmall M, and Oliver 88 Standard. I have a UTS and wonder how it would stack up against these others. Year of mine is 49. I saw a post on one of the other forums that said M Farmall would outplow UTS easily. From my information, this seems odd since the UTS is heavier. Would love to hear what you all have to say. Thanks in advance. Brad

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Clyde

12-30-2004 23:22:01




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
My Dad sold farm machinery in Great Falls Mt. from the late 40�s to the mid 50�s. He also worked as a mechanic and did field service. He worked for MM for several years than got a better offer from International. In those days the competing manufactures would demonstrate with �plowing contests� usually pulling a duck foot or an MM one way. The U was what he sold the most and he claimed that the Oliver was the only tractor that gave any competition. He left International and went back to MM because he said he got tired of being out pulled when he demonstrated the M and it just didn�t happen with the U. When he went back to farming we had a U a G propane a Case LA. There wasn�t as much difference between the U and the G as one would think and the Case wasn�t even in the running. The U was indestructible. My Dad could shift up a gear with the U with out using the clutch. He just cut the throttle for a second at the same time he shifted and didn�t lose any momentum. He said he learned to do it when he pulled against the Oliver. The first tractor I ever drove in the field was a U pulling a 14 ft Graham Home Duckfoot and a rod weeder doing summer fallow when I was 10 years old in 1954. The hand clutch and being able to stand and drive made it ideal for a kid. There is nothing like Prairie Gold in the field.

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casered

12-29-2004 21:41:43




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
I cant say about the UTS or the G. I can tell you though that my uncle had both an 88 gas row crop and an M. They both had the same size tires and the 88 had the cast rear wheels as opposed to tin wheels. The M was the chosen plowing tractor for his operation. The soil on his central PA farm varied from heavy topsoil to some shale knobs. He used a set of 4 14 inch JD trailing plows. The M would handle them in 3rd over most of the farm. The 88 was always used for PTO work such as the green feed chopper and for baling, two chores where it excelled because of its PTO. It never saw any heavy tillage work, that was always reserved for the M. My uncle was killed in 91 when he was runover by his Ferguson 30, My parents had been previously been given the M for helping on his farm. We have since used the M hard on our operation for heavy tillage such as pulling a 10FT IH 370 disk and a 12FT drag harrow together at once in 4TH. These days though the M has been retired to primarily running our field sprayer and manuevering equipment around our farm. It has ALWAYS been a good tractor to us and has only been overhauled once in its life and that was about 25 years ago, and she is still going strong. Having grown up around IH it is my personal favorite color, BUT I would drive any of the tractors that were mentioned including the DC Case and the MH 44. They are ALL good tractors, in fact I wouldn't mind owning one of each of them, espescially my uncles old 88. One thing to keep in mind in this comparison is that the 88, the 44, and the DC could be made as standard treads and the UTS is a standard tread where the M and the G were both strictly row crop machines. Oh I just about fogot, there was a time when my grandfather pulled an 8FT orchard disk, a 10FT pittsburgh disk, and a 12FT drag harrow with the M that he has. You couldn't sink the orchard disk real far but it would pull all of them in 3RD gear. He has 14.9 38's on the back and three sets of wheel weights. I can say his old girl is wore out and wouldn't do it today, but there was a time when it did. Sorry for the rambling post. Have a good one today and a better one tomorrow.

Casered,

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Big Al's Acres

12-31-2004 09:09:57




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to casered, 12-29-2004 21:41:43  
This is a pleasant string of messages. We all have opinions or stories. I also have one. My dad returned from serving in WW2 and moved back to take over the family farm. At that time, our area was still very much using Betsy and Billy to get the work done. (My dad until the day he died still had fonder memories of field farming with horeses) However, dad decided he needed to modernize so he could get the field work done quicker. Our area Was baically GREEN, RED and a little ORANGE, very few YELLOW and no OLIVER. Dads best buddy had broken his arm cranking a Case so no Case for us. Dad went to the J-D agent and was convinced to buy the "new" 2 bottom "B". We took it home, Dad went to the field and dropped the 202 J-D 2 bottom plow in and stalled the POOR "B". Dad would would have none of that, back he went and was convinced that the "big" two bottom "A" was the ticket. Well it was a repeat, no could do! Dad swore he would never have one of those weak J-D's on his place and never did! He then went over to the I-H dealer and bought a new "MD". That old girl would get right through our heavy soil and did for many many years. The result, as long as dad was alive, we were RED people. Conclusion, since I have started to play with old tractors, I located and purchased one of the few M-M's in our area, UTSD-M, doesn't run yet, but hope soon. I did break the RED standard set, by my dad, by buying and building a J-D 70. I enjoy that tractor! (hope dad doesn't roll over in his grave) Live power, power steering, etc., and I use it as my back up baler tractor! I do have to admit, I have eaten humble pie taking the "70" to the tractor pulls. It just doesn't have the wheaties of the Prairie Gold or Orange! It is the talk and stories that sets the stage for a good time, a little competition and more of the good old days.
Alan

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Yeoman

12-29-2004 18:53:49




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
They are all GOOD machines. Dead Stock, probably the 88 first, minnie second, Farmall M third and JD G last. With modern pistons in the engines, the JD G probably first, Minnie second, Farmall M third and 88 last. Revisit the first sentence!



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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

12-29-2004 18:16:03




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
Well I know for a fact that a Super M will pull about 30 feet further than a UTS when weighted the to the same class and a wet track, but the UTS will outpull a 720 JD by about 7 feet on a dry track, never found annyone willing to pull a Oliver around here. The reason I know for sure is we own one of each and always end up pulling against our own stuff. I also know that a UTS will pull second place in the 7500 class with two rod bearings spun. Tim

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old

12-29-2004 11:55:32




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
Well a UTS at 42 HP and the Farmall M at34Hp and the JD-G at 38HP and the Oliver at 55Hp. The Oliver would probably out pull the MM the MM would out pull the M and the JD should also out pull the M. That said its hard to beat an Oliver or a MM I have both but mostly Olivers



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Mopower

12-29-2004 10:47:52




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
Without a doubt, a UTS is the best of the bunch. That is why I like these tractors. Large bearing surfaces to spread out wear and pressure. Big engines running slower. Less RPM = Less wear. A Farmall M is not shabby don't get me wrong, but the 283 U is nearly indestructable. An Olie 88 is smooth, but it takes far less hours to wear one out. The best comparison to a MM UTS would be maybe a Massey 44. They did alright but still not quite the heft of a machine as MM. A Deere G is a good hunk of Iron and may take as many hours to wear out. Not sure about covering ground with it though. Deere two-bangers were built on the same concept. BIG AND SLOW = long life and torque.

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Kevin Moschenrose

12-29-2004 10:40:36




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to mbd, 12-29-2004 09:59:34  
I would kind of like to see this post. Apples to apples there is no way a Farmall M will out plow a UTS. The UTS would plow circles around it. I wouldn't want to mess up a field doing it, but just to prove a point. Humm?



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Joe Leising

12-29-2004 15:49:00




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to Kevin Moschenrose, 12-29-2004 10:40:36  
I attend an annual plow day here in Indiana not frar from my parents house. The hosts are pretty much color blind when it comes to what they own, but they prefer green. One of the hosts spent quite a bit of money on an M several years ago for plowing and pulling. He doesn't get it out of the barn anymore, becasue even after all the money he spent to make more hp it still won't hang with the Ollies or the Gold. Most places I take my UTU and 3btm plow I can run in 3rd, but 2nd is fast enought to keep up or pass so what's the point.

The G jd might keep up, but it will burn alot more fuel doing it.

Just my opinion.

Joe

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steveormary

12-29-2004 18:24:51




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to Joe Leising, 12-29-2004 15:49:00  
Now that would be an interesting contest. A long time ago I worked for a farmer who owned a MH 44 and a UB MM standard. Both tractors were in good condition and operated on propane.Both had 5spd.trannys. On a single gang disk I would use 3rd on the MM and 2nd on the 44. Dont know what the ground speed difference was.

Would a DC Case fall into this group?



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Mopower

12-30-2004 05:00:48




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 Re: UTS vs 88Std, Fmall M, G JD in reply to steveormary, 12-29-2004 18:24:51  
The DC case is a horse. I guess if I couldn't have my MM tractors, the DC case would be next in line. Very well balanced and comparable to a U. Unfortunately the engine is not quite as convenient as a U.



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