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Question for you LP guys that fill your own tanks.

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RJ

05-21-2004 21:19:14




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I have a GB that ran out of LP. A local LP vendor made me a liquid valve filler tank with hose fittings for convenient filling. The LP vendor said the filler tank should fill my tractor at least twice. I hooked up everything, opened the bleeder valve and turned on the filler tank valve. I assumed everything was working correctly, however fluid never did come out of the bleeder valve, & now the filler tank is empty. The gauge on the tractor says my tank is 40% full. When I was filling, it left a moisture line on the exterior of the tractor tank that was real near the level of the bleeder valve , so I thought my tank was just about 80 to 80% full. So now I'm in limbo as to if I did something wrong, or maybe they didn't realize how big the tank was on my tractor.
At first I was worried maybe I had a faulty bleeder valve and maybe I filled the tank beyond the 80 to 85% limit, however now I feel it is around 40 to 45% full. Does this sound right to you? The tank they sold me is approx. 4 feet high and the same diamater as those gas grill tanks and I beleive he said it was a 100 pound tank. Seems this tank would have filled my tractor for sure once, but this is the first time I have done this I really don't know. If it's 40 to 45% full, that's ok, just so I have piece of mind I did everything right, & everything was working properly, but where the LP man said it would fill my tractor twice, it leaves me stumped. What do you guys think? This also was a very slow process, does it normally take a long time when filling from one tank to another? Thanks for your help

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RJ Thanks for the info!

05-23-2004 21:41:07




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 Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your own ta in reply to RJ, 05-21-2004 21:19:14  
Thanks for all of your input guys. I beleive now everything is ok, and I did everything right when filling. One more question, Do you guys usually open the bleeder valve on the tractor full blast open when filling? I just opened mine a small turn until it ommited vapor, but it could have opened a lot more & maybe that's one reason it took long to fill?? Makes a heck of a lot of noise when opened up more and I didn't feel real comfortable with that much vapor comming out.
Again, thanks so much for your help!

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Roger

05-24-2004 20:21:56




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 Re: Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your ow in reply to RJ Thanks for the info! , 05-23-2004 21:41:07  
About Johns posting. It is to bad LP Dealers have to be so cautious. I guess it is the times we live in. All of my 3/4 inch acme bleeder valves have a 90 degree elbow on them so I can direct the vapor away from the tractor. At my home tank I have a hose with a 12 foot tall stand pipe to get the vapor farther away from the tractor. I am guessing you are in an Urban area? Look for an LP dealer that puts on a yearly saftey school for his customeers. Learning more about filling tractors at a school sure doesn't hurt.

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John G

05-25-2004 20:55:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Question for you LP guys that fill you in reply to Roger, 05-24-2004 20:21:56  
Yep, URBAN area, I retired from a natural gas company, am familiar with gas handling and regulation, school NEVER hurts anyone, except maybe the ones who don't go.



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John G

05-24-2004 17:51:12




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 Re: Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your ow in reply to RJ Thanks for the info! , 05-23-2004 21:41:07  
When I take mine to the LP dealer to fill it, I open the bleeder just enough to get vapor, when it's full, I don't want that much liquid flying "all over". They prefer I control the tractor end of the hose so they won't be responsible for any scratches or dings on the paint. Hicks Gas is the dealer here, they tell me they can't fill my 100 gallon tank, it's a bottom feed, made to fill tractors or forklifts, company policy prohibits me from handling liquid LP. Gotta find another company that will fill it, Hicks Gas wants $40.00 to come out, then the amount to fill the tractor, so I haul it over there, 5 or 6 miles.

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Roger

05-23-2004 21:35:28




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 Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your own ta in reply to RJ, 05-21-2004 21:19:14  
First thing you need to do is - Buy from a different LP Gas dealer. Any dealer that would sell you a 100 lb. bottle to fill a tractor tank with, doesn't know much about LP Gas. If you don't use the tractor much a 250 gallon tank is big enough. Make sure the tank you get meets all the codes, internal pop off valve, 250 LB. working pressure, etc. Don't be afraid to invest in a good LP Tank, they hold their value.

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M Hornick

05-22-2004 19:57:31




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 Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your own ta in reply to RJ, 05-21-2004 21:19:14  
Another problem you will have is that you will not be able to get all of the LP from your 100lb tank. You will only be able to equalize the pressure between the two tanks. We are in the process of remodling and put in a new LP furnace and 500 gal tank and had the Coop put in the valve to fill tractors that way. Just a thought. Mike



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John G

05-22-2004 06:16:32




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 Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your own ta in reply to RJ, 05-21-2004 21:19:14  
Just a side note, I use a grill propane tank and a 1/4" x 10' hose with the appropriate fittings to run my tractor to the tank if I should run out. I always disconnect the tank fitting BEFORE the filter and hook the tank in there so it always runs fuel thru the filter.



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Tom in Mo.

05-22-2004 04:28:36




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 Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your own ta in reply to RJ, 05-21-2004 21:19:14  
RJ, It sounds like you are doing things right. Are you turning the 100 pound tank upside down in order to flow liquid or did your propane man make a siphon tube in order to draw liquid from the bottom of the tank? The GB tank will never fill if you only get vapor from the nurse tank. A 100 pound bottle will NOT fill the GB twice! The 100 pounder only holds around 35 +or- gallons of liquid propane. And that's about what your tractor holds; 36 gallons at 80% full. Note that as you bleed vapor off while filling you do lose a small amount of LP to the atmosphere. Maybe as much as a gallon is lost depending on how long it takes to fill. I fill off my house tank so the tractors fill quicker due to sustained higher nurse tank pressure. One more note is a lot of times those old gauges stick or slip a cog so your gauge may not be accurate. I would believe the moisture line is where the liquid level is.

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DH in Carolina

05-22-2004 10:56:29




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 Re: Re: Question for you LP guys that fill your ow in reply to Tom in Mo., 05-22-2004 04:28:36  
A 100 lb propane cylinder holds 23.7 gals. of liquid at 80% full.



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