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Choreboy

04-12-2004 11:33:44

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Just bought a 56 445 univ. It's a runner, moves, lifts, and pulls. Steering has alot of slop. Looks to be at the wheel and not the shaft. I would like to at least tighten it up if possible. Is it possible or is there a complete overhaul in it's future and where do I begin? New to restoration business. Everything has it's first time. This is one of mine.

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Kelvin

04-15-2004 18:33:01

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Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Choreboy, 04-12-2004 11:33:44

When you say at the wheel, you mean at the front, right?
check the steering arm like Dennis said.

Also, on the side shaft where the steering shaft goes into the front housing, there will probably be a plate on the side of the casting that holds that shaft, probably held on by allen screws.

This is where the power steering valve mounts, if the 445 has power steering. Remove that plate and look in the larger round hole. If there is a collar with a groove in it, your 445 has the power steering worm shaft in it. Otherwise for manual steering I think it should be a solid shaft.
If it was equipped with a power steering shaft, There was some built-in slop in the worm shaft, to give the steering valve time to act before the mechanical linkage from the steering wheel caught up with it.

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Dennis

04-14-2004 11:01:35

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Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Choreboy, 04-12-2004 11:33:44

Could be a worn keyway or a worm & sector! I restored a utility, and the keyway on the steering arm was very badly worn.

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Choeboy0

04-15-2004 05:43:17

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Re: Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Dennis, 04-14-2004 11:01:35

Thanks for the reply. First question, are we talking about the steering box on the left side or the one above the front end? Second, on a scale from 1 to 5, 5 being call a pro. What are we looking at for repair? Third, is replaceing a better option and if replacement is best, where could it be found. Really not good on repair yet, great on replaceing parts and painting restorations. Again thanks for the reply, just getting started. Will admit I have alot to learn and will only be able to do this with help like this. Semp Fi.

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Dennis

04-15-2004 14:35:15

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Re: Re: Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Choeboy0, 04-15-2004 05:43:17

Well there is only one steering box on a 445 that I know of, and it is inside the front casting. the steering shaft that the worm gear is mounted on enters on the left side into the casting. The sector will come out by unbolting the flange on the bottom of the front casting. If you have a narrow front end you will have to block the tractor up and remove the column that the wheels are bolted to. I would first disassemble it and find out what is worn before going on.

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Choreboy

04-16-2004 05:54:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Dennis, 04-15-2004 14:35:15

Thank for the reply. Yes a was talking about the front end and it is a wide. It does not have power steering which is not big deal. For what I use it for it would be just another thing to worry about. This thing has about 12 inchs of travel at the steering wheel and I know something at sometime will have to be addressed. Is this something a shade tree wrench turner like myself can repair or will special punches, presses, and/or tools be required? I have no problem tackling the job. I just would like to know going in I can finsh it. Last question, well maybe not the last, but the last one for this listing. Parts are available through several of the vendors listed on this board, right? Really outside of this steering situation. Everything else but what you would expect: gauges, knobs, lights, a good power washing, sandblast, a little sheet metal straighting, and paint job. This little jewel will be an working eye popper. The key work here is working. It's got to work, nothing stays around the farm unless it can work. OK, I'll shut up now. Thanks, Semp Fi.

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Dennis

04-19-2004 06:41:13

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 445 manual steering play in reply to Choreboy, 04-16-2004 05:54:47

Well taking it apart don't require more that standard tools, but depending on the problems either some machine shop work, or finding used replacement parts might be required!! as far as finding guages if you need them they are hard to find! My 445 had almost a quarter of a round of play, and it was from a keyway being worn! I was able to broach a new one 90deg from the old one, and cut a new key seat to match, reusing the parts I had. Or a person could put an ad in here looking for the parts, once you know what you need!

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