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Curt

04-06-2004 08:53:45

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I am a poor painter. I don't deserve the best equipment nor can I do justice to expensive paint BUT, I am having a bad experience attempting to use paint from TSC. On the Minnie page it's indicated that TSC paint with hardener is a good cheap way to go. Maybe it is, but I can't make it work. I am going to now start over with real paint. I'm just writing in case anyone else is considering using that paint. Maybe they can make it happen but in case they can't, they can now know they are not alone.

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dlp

04-08-2004 17:03:00

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Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt , 04-06-2004 08:53:45

I used the correct temp. range reducer, some gloss hardner, & TSC paint. I am not a painter, either. The outcome was really good when I was done. I had a hard time believing I did it. I used a gravity feed gun. Did you try to use just the hardner to cut it with? I think you need the reducer to mix with it.

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Mopower

04-07-2004 08:39:15

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Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt , 04-06-2004 08:53:45

I used to work at TSC in my college days. I've heard all sorts of stories good and bad about TSC paint. After college, part of my job was painting floor sanding machines where we made several paint changes from Sherwin-Williams acrylic enamel to PPG sticky slow drying stuff (for got the type, but it is my favorite). I used regular oil enamel on several occations and found out if mixed correctly I can get a real nice job out of it. PPG takes it's own thinner, but I have real good luck with regular laquer thinner in the rest. You can get a good job from TSC paint. In fact, on cast MM wheel centers, I clean with a body grinder w/ wire wheel, prime with rustoleoum rusty metal primer (sticks and seals well) and paint with TSC yellow and hardener. ALL WITH A BRUSH!!! Turned out great after a couple coats on that cast iron. With sheet metal, a good sandable primer coat is key. Smooth it up good. Experimant a little. I trained myself because no one else knew how at work. I'm no pro, but I managed to make a great paint job.

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Curt Cooke

04-07-2004 12:11:11

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Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Mopower, 04-07-2004 08:39:15

I have to admit I am pleased with the outcome, expect for my own stupid mistakes, it looks good and as it stands, I can't tell the difference in the finish color between the TSC and the Sherwin Williams. It just fought me out of the gun. Question guys, do I dare thin the TSC with lacquor thinner - the Naptha doesn't seem to cut well at all.

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Mopower

04-07-2004 17:24:43

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Re: Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt Cooke, 04-07-2004 12:11:11

Yes, I have used it on that kind of paint. It worked. Forgot the ratio though. So much depends on temperature, coat thickness, and letting it dry completely that is is hard to tell why when something goes bad.

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04-06-2004 13:18:15

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Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt , 04-06-2004 08:53:45

Just finished painting a UTS with the old style "cheap" paint with hardener. Used a decent gun, got real good results, but I still use my tractor in the field and wasn't after a show quality job.
I used Van Sickle paint. I looked into the TSC paint, which is pretty much the same thing, I decided against it because the color was odd. It seemed to be more orange than any of the Golds or yellows that MM used.
Van Sickle custom mixed the color and had it to me within a few days.
I do think that the gun you use, getting the right amounts of paint and thinner, and how well you stir the mixture has much to do with a good paint job. I agree with the other post on sanding and overall preparation. I would add that a good sandable primer should be used.
Also, practice on an old car hood or other piece of metal to get your adjustments down before shooting the tractor.

Good luck on getting the paint job you desire!

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Jim Parisot

04-06-2004 12:55:30

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Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt , 04-06-2004 08:53:45

Curt,

I wouldn't ever consider using the old synthetic enamel, which is all TSC paint is; but with that said, you should still be able to achieve a descent looking paint job, especially if you are adding hardner. After all, that is all they had to use when these tractors were new. If you aren't using a good paint gun that can be alot of your problem. I personally feel a high quality gun can make a good painter out of a novice and a poor gun a poor painter out of a pro. Also, preparation is the most important part of any paint job. A very successful body man told me 30 years ago that the secret to a good paint job is sandpaper. If you don't get the surface as smooth as a baby's butt all the imperfections will show. You didn't say what your problem was, but stepping up to a higher quality paint is definitely a step in the right direction, just make sure you have your ducks in a row before spraying on that higher priced paint.

Jim

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Curt Cooke

04-06-2004 13:30:34

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Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Jim Parisot, 04-06-2004 12:55:30

Thanks guys, I feel a little better. That paint was so thick my gun couldn't pull it up. Once thin enough, it tended to run like water. I switched to a gravity feed gun which at least gave me consistency. This paint reminded me of typical house paint - thick - and Naptha doesn't cut it very well but I was reluctant to use lacquor thinner. AT any rate, I'm going to wind up with two different paints ont these four tractors unless I remove the paint I've put on. Guess I'll just see how noticeable it is. I've painted a lot of tractors with much success, this stuff just kicked my a*@!

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BLT

04-06-2004 16:51:21

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Re: Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to Curt Cooke, 04-06-2004 13:30:34

GO with the good paint, it is too much trouble getting it ready to use cheap paint. I learned the hard way.

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04-07-2004 19:00:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to BLT, 04-06-2004 16:51:21

Good paint cheap paint you still have to prep it well. Bad prep bad job good prep good job. RT

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Jerry

04-07-2004 16:52:27

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline paint - TSC in reply to BLT, 04-06-2004 16:51:21

I use the AGCO product and it works well. Can get in spray cans for touchup also.

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