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will a brown mule engine work in a 445

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jb

01-16-2004 14:58:01




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please help thanks




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Mopower

01-18-2004 16:28:28




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 Re: will a brown mule engine work in a 445 in reply to jb, 01-16-2004 14:58:01  
We have a Jet Star 2 with brown mule motor. Never rebuilt and out of a junker about 20 years ago. Burns oil but good power.



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Kelvin

01-16-2004 17:50:17




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 Re: will a brown mule engine work in a 445 in reply to jb, 01-16-2004 14:58:01  
Not being familiar with Brown Mules, the only problem I think you might encounter would be if the Mule block mounts the starter with 3 bolts. I'm pretty sure you would have to use the 445 flywheel and it's ring gear would only work with a "setscrew" mount starter. I don't know if the difference is as easy as drilling and tapping a hole for that setscrew or not.
Of course, you probably would have to use the 445 water return pipe and maybe the 445 water pump and mount as well.
Other than that, check the valve cover and the side cover-Although the Mule parts would probably work, you'd probably want the correct parts for the 445.

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John G

01-16-2004 19:03:00




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 Re: Re: will a brown mule engine work in a 445 in reply to Kelvin, 01-16-2004 17:50:17  
The 206 ngine out of a Brown Mule is going to go in my '62 Big Mo 400, everything will work, just have to change the flywheel, valve cover, and sidecover, may keep the side cover and BIG hyd pump to run the DuAll loader, that's a PLUS.



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jb

01-17-2004 05:57:05




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 Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule engine work in a 445 in reply to John G, 01-16-2004 19:03:00  
So I will not have to replace the starter?Thanks for every ones help.any other part on it help usefull.



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JK

01-17-2004 09:16:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule engine work in a in reply to jb, 01-17-2004 05:57:05  
If the brown mule engine has a 3 bolt starter, you will have to use a flywheel from a late 4 Star or JetStar 3 and 3 bolt starter, otherwise your original starter will work fine.

To make it correct, you will need to use the 445 valve cover and side cover. The waterpump will work but I don't remember about the pulley on it. You may also want to use the 445's crankshaft pulley as some of the brown mules had 2 groove pulleys, which may make it difficult to replace the belt.

I have one in my 335 backhoe.

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jb

01-17-2004 11:08:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule engine work in reply to JK, 01-17-2004 09:16:38  
What is the change from a 445 to 4star ring gear?Can I just drill and tap block to use the 445 ring gear.Because I have a parts tractor 445.Or where can I find 4star.How about the hubs on mule are they the same as any tractor?I bought mule and I do not want to let any thing go that is usefull.The mule has 2 rear wheels is that a later year from single wheel?Thanks for the help again.



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JK

01-17-2004 13:46:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule engine w in reply to jb , 01-17-2004 11:08:13  
If the brown mule engine you have has the starter that is held in by only one tapered setscrew, simply use the 445 starter and flywheel.

4 Stars are rarer than 445's & so are harder to find, especially the very late ones.

As far as I know the hubs from the brown mule won't fit any tractor, at least without some machine work.

The brown mule was the last of the three types moline made & all had 2 rear wheels with hydrastatic steering.

The first type was the L model which had a V4 engine that used blocks, pistons and rods similar to a ZA. The heads were very similar to a ZA but there were two heads instead of a one piece one. I don't think many of these originally had power steering.

The second type was the model LA which had a V4 that used blocks, pistons, rods & heads similar to a 445. Most of these had power steering.

Both the L and LA had one rear wheel.

JK

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jb

01-17-2004 15:51:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule engi in reply to JK, 01-17-2004 13:46:13  
Thanks for every ones help.One last question to ask is jugs on 206 the same as 220 on mule just bored bigger? Same question for the 445 & u302. Thanks to all I learned a lot.



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Kelvin

01-17-2004 17:13:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown mule in reply to jb, 01-17-2004 15:51:51  
The U302 220 "jugs" are a different casting, "siamesed" or joined together at the bottom. I understand from posts on here that the 206 jugs can be successfully bored out to the same dia.: 3-3/4.

Right now, I am under the impression that these overbore pistons are NOT U302 pistons, because I have compared Z and U302 pistons and the U302 piston has about 1/4" shorter compression height.



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jb

01-17-2004 18:16:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a brown m in reply to Kelvin, 01-17-2004 17:13:31  
Where do you get big pistons then?



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Kelvin

01-18-2004 10:52:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a bro in reply to jb, 01-17-2004 18:16:35  
I don't. Its the guys who want 220 cu. in +++ Z engines that go to Welters 417-498-6496 or Everetts 740-922-3335 for special overbore pistons that will work with 206 length rods.

You better find out if your mule engine is a 220 or a 206 before you go buying parts, though.



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JB

01-18-2004 11:51:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: will a in reply to Kelvin, 01-18-2004 10:52:23  
THANK YOU



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