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1953 BF with IXB3 engine.

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MSadler

11-29-2003 19:23:01




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Help! I got a 53 Avery with a wrisp-pin knock. It's been there for over 20 yrs. Tractor not using oil and runs like a top. Need info on an over-haul kit. Need parts location before I tear her down?




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Brenda

12-05-2003 13:06:15




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
The S on the engine number means its a sleeved engine. I think MM is the only one that used sleeves. Try NAPA for your parts. That's where we got most of our parts - valves, sleeves, etc. They may have to order them. It took about 2 days to get ours. The sleeves are a universal sleeve that has to be bored and cut off, but it works. Oliver used the IXB3 engine on Cletrac but it didn't have sleeves.

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Kelvin

12-01-2003 18:29:38




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
You said the only time you hear the knock is when you slow the engine down to a crawl. Our BG does that when real slow, I think its really in the U-joint at the rear of the clutch shaft, the bearings on the clutch shaft, or the spines in the clutch. If its a rod or a wrist pin, it should make a difference in the noise if you pull the spark plug wire off whichever cylinder has the problem.



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MikenKY

12-01-2003 21:11:03




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Kelvin, 12-01-2003 18:29:38  
Kelvin, Good idea, except the clutch and throw-out bearing was just replaced. The U-Joints were really in bad shape. They are solid steel with solid steel caps, no needle bearings. Mic'ed the yokes,which were bent badly out of aliment.After three weeks and 3 sets of U-joints,heating,honing,welding, and pressing.I ended up buying new yokes and u-joints as a set.
I'm sure if I had use the original U-Joints there would have been more noises then the peck I'm hearing.But that's what these discusion boards are for. I'm learing much, and I'm sure there are many others listening...Tks. Again for Info..Mike

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Leroy

11-30-2003 17:41:20




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
I am not that familar with the MM but with what you are saying I wiuld pull the pan and 1 rod at a time and see if there is any give in any of the wrist pins, if there is then I would just pull that one cylinder only and let the others alone and you say it uses no oil so I would just clean the rings and hone the cylinder and put the orignal rings back, I have a tractor of anouther make that I am told is a wrist pin knock and I have to overhaul it with new sleeves but is pumps oil with heavy blowby, if the rings weren't bad then I would just do as I sujected. Rings can be put back in a motor and if no problem then it is usless to change them for a wrist pin.

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MikenKY

11-30-2003 19:53:35




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Leroy, 11-30-2003 17:41:20  
Tks. Leroy, We think along the same lines. The knock/peck is coming from the rear of the engine, so I would start with the back rod one at a time. All I need is a head gasket& a reliable parts source to get started. If you know what I mean..MS



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BMG

11-30-2003 15:37:56




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
Try Zimmerman Oliver-Cletrac. The same motors were used in Oliver-Cletrac crawlers. Their # is 717-738-2573. They advertise the main bearings for the IXB engine at $275 a set.

Brian



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MikenKY

11-30-2003 20:03:43




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to BMG, 11-30-2003 15:37:56  
Tks Mr.BMG for the parts source#. I have been on the oliver-crawler web-site, looking for IXB3,Hercules,conntinental, and everything that used that engine, with no luck, I'll surely give them a call in the morning...Again Thanks for the info..Mike



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todd

11-30-2003 14:42:54




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
Try Bill Williams at 662-728-3747 He is out of mississippi and has lots of used patrs and I am sure he can get whatever you need or can get you on the right trail. I have a 52 BF I am restoring and I have calle Bill with questions bought parts from him. He is very friendly and honest.



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MikenKY

11-30-2003 20:12:37




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to todd, 11-30-2003 14:42:54  
Hey Todd, I'll surely give old Bill a call and put his # in my used parts book for the moline! Thanks for the help... Mike



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MikenKY

11-30-2003 20:29:35




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to ED, 11-30-2003 14:35:51  
Check your E-Mail....Tks ..Mike



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Phil S.

11-29-2003 23:49:59




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
You sure its a wrist pin knocking and not a worn out thrust bearing?

My 53 MM RTI knocked when I first got it. Sometimes the knock would go away. It would just bang to beat the band. There was no rhyme or reason. I could start it up and it would not knock the entire time I ran it. Other times, it would be knocking right off the bat.

I decided that I better take it apart and check the rods, etc. I put in new piston rings and rod bearings did the valves, etc. when I restored it. I did not do the mains at that time because I could not find a set. The RTI uses a Rollar bearing in the front and normal main bearing in the rear with the thrust surfaces on it. When I started the tractor back up after doing the rods, etc. It knocked.. I then pulled it back apart and split the thing.

It turned out that the rear main bearing was worn at the thrust surfaces and this was allowing the crank to move fore and aft slightly causeing my "knock". Once I replaced both main bearings. The knock went away.

My 1949 ZAU does the same thing once in awhile. I have had it all apart as well, except for doing the mains.. Just have not had the time. With haveing to split the tractor. Besides that the knock is not real pronounced. It needs to be done however. I do not want to ruin the crank. I am sure I will find that its the same kind of deal with it as well.. worn thrust bearing.

Just another thought....

Phil

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Mike

11-30-2003 09:33:27




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Phil S., 11-29-2003 23:49:59  
Phil, Tks for the info, I'll check the mains when I have the bf down. The only time I hear the peck, coming from the rear of engine, is when I idle the rpm down to a crawl. I use to pull a tobacco setter 10yrs. or so ago. The old moline never fails to start on first turn. I'm going to re-tire in the near future and have started on the re-store. She's been in the barn, out of the weather all of her live, so the metal cleans of fairly easy. I've mowed 5 acres for 25 yrs., and it still has original points. I,m really looking for a reliable parts source before I tear it down Any ideas would greatly be appreciated!! Mike

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Larry from MD

11-29-2003 19:34:11




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 Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to MSadler, 11-29-2003 19:23:01  
well if its like the IXB3's that i worked on they have pored babbit bearings in the rods.you have to get them repored or find good ones or hone them out so you can use inserts.If there is a sh after the engine model then it should have inserts in it.The main berings are half pored and half an insert.There are no sleeves so new rings or bore the cylinders and get bigger pistons.



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Mike

11-29-2003 19:57:19




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 Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Larry from MD, 11-29-2003 19:34:11  
Tks. Larry for the reply. The engine is an IXB3S. Do you have a good source for the head gasket and bearings?



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Roger

11-30-2003 06:53:36




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 Re: Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Mike, 11-29-2003 19:57:19  
Hi..
If you find out where to find the Main bearings please let me know.. I have a IXB3 and need the main bearings.. any help is a great help..Thanks Roger



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BMG

11-30-2003 15:32:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Roger , 11-30-2003 06:53:36  
Roger,
Check with Zimmerman Oliver-Cletrac 717-738-2573. There in PA and in the last HPOCA magazine they advertised main bearing sets for Hercules IXK and IXB engine in std,010,020,030,040. They're pricey though at $275 a set. They also advertise IX series rod bearings in 040 coming soon.

Brian



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Mike

11-30-2003 09:37:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1953 BF with IXB3 engine. in reply to Roger , 11-30-2003 06:53:36  
Hey Roger, I'll keep you in mind. Like wise on the filp! Good Luck....Mike in KY



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