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445 loss of power

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gary

11-03-2003 11:56:19




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i have a 445 that looses power when it warms up. i have to run the choke part way out or the engine cuts out. i have soaked and cleaned and kited the carb. once it warms up, when you go to take off, you have to release the clutch very slowly or it will not keep running. is this an ignition problem?




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JB

11-14-2003 17:57:25




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 Re: 445 loss of power in reply to gary, 11-03-2003 11:56:19  
If it does it more after its warm its probably a weak coil. Coil gets hot & shorts out inside.



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Kelvin

11-03-2003 18:13:41




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 Re: 445 loss of power in reply to gary, 11-03-2003 11:56:19  
I have seen weak coils do that on takeoff. But I would do as Jerry suggests and make sure its getting a good steay stream of fuel at the carburetor. Especially since you said you can improve operation by choking the engine a bit.

Try taking the plug off the bottom of the carb. and see if you get a good steady stream there.

Then I would change the points and condenser.
Lastly, I would try a known-good coil.

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Jerry

11-03-2003 15:44:21




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 Re: 445 loss of power in reply to gary, 11-03-2003 11:56:19  
More than likely a fuel problem. Their must be a passage in the carb. obstructed. Is the gas line clean and flowing good. No leaks where the carb. bolts to manifold.



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gary

11-04-2003 05:48:41




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 Re: Re: 445 loss of power in reply to Jerry, 11-03-2003 15:44:21  
thanks guys, the fuel seems to be flowing good in the glass bowl, and no leaks that i can see. once you get the tractor going, it runs down the road good. since the carb was really gunky, it might be worth taking it back apart again and resoaking it. i have not done anything yet with the electrical system, so was just wondering if i should try points and stuff and then look at the carb more.



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Phil

11-04-2003 11:28:21




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 Re: Re: Re: 445 loss of power in reply to gary, 11-04-2003 05:48:41  
One thing that can give you trouble like that is trash in the fuel tank itself.. like a big rust flake floating around that floats over/partially blocks the outlet of the tank. However, since you say you have good fuel flow..Then the other thing that I have seen is the main air bleed be clogged partially. The main air bleed is the little copper pipe that sticks up into the venturi. If you pull the needle valve off the bottom of the lower carb bowel, you will see this. The needle valve on the bottom of the carb is what controls the fuel/air mixture at high speed outside of low rpm.

Take off the lower needle valve.. then you can unscrew the main air bleed and remove it. Be careful when you are removing it and reinstalling it. Its only brass and does not take alot of torque either way. When you put it back in, just snug it lightly. It should have a gasket on it.

Make sure that all of the little air passages in the thing are free of debris. Just 1 of those little holes plugged up can cause your problem. - Ie.. you are getting too much air and not enough fuel.. that is why it runs better when you pull on the choke - runs richer.

Clean all this out. Its easy when that needle valve/air bleed are removed to blow out all of the Carb. passages with compressed air. Check your float setting too. Without knowing your carb model, I cannot advise you on this. Most are 1/4 inch from the bowel bottom to the top of the float when it is hanging.

As for the needle valves. The default setting of the lower needle valve is 1-1/2 to 2 turns out. The only way to really set it is to have the tractor under load and adjust it. However, that is usually next to impossible for most to do. Just set it at the default setting. The upper needle valve in the upper carb bowl top is set the same. 1-1/2 to 2 turns.

Hopefully, just taking it apart, cleaning it again will solve your problem.

Phil

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