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R Governer problems?

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Kevin

09-12-2003 14:03:19




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I have a 1950 R that runs well at idle but sputters or dies when the throttle is between half and full. At first I thought it was the carburetor so I had it cleaned and rebuilt. The tractor still runs the same, good at idle, bad after about 5 or so minutes running at full throttle. I am beginning to suspect the governor because it runs longer at full throttle out of gear then it does at full throttle in gear. It seams that when it is in gear it starts to sputter right away. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Kevin

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Alan K

09-14-2003 19:48:48




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 Re: R Governer problems? in reply to Kevin, 09-12-2003 14:03:19  
Sounds to be in the carb, have you checked your timing?



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Kelvin

09-12-2003 18:33:10




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 Re: R Governer problems? in reply to Kevin, 09-12-2003 14:03:19  
I think you've still got fuel delivery problems. If you open the throttle and the engine speeds up or tries to, its probably not the governor.

Start at the tank, make sure everything is open and you've got a good stream of gasoline flowing from the fuel line where you hook to the carb.

If problem still persists, open the carb drain and see if you have a good stream from there-some trash may have washed down the line and choked your needle valve.

One place I've had problems recently is the fuel bowl screen-assuming you have one. They can gum up with varnish, not flow much at all, but still look O.K.

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kevin

09-12-2003 19:20:56




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 Re: Re: R Governer problems? in reply to Kelvin, 09-12-2003 18:33:10  
Thanks for the quick reply.

When I first started experiencing the problem I took off the fuel bowl and screen and cleaned them out. I also drained the old gas and put in new. From there I went to the carburetor and had it rebuilt (which it greatly needed). I now get a good stream coming out of the bowl, fuel line, and carburetor drain.

Still, the tractor does not run well at high speeds (especially when in gear).

As for the throttle, there is no response from the governor or engine until the throttle is at least half-opened. After that the engine starts to speed up, then slow down, then speed up, etc., until it evens out and runs smoothly. Then, after a few minutes (or if you put it in gear) it starts to sputter and die.

Do you still think it is fuel delivery problems and not the governor or something else? I cannot see how it wouldn't be getting gas.

As always any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Kevin

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Kelvin

09-14-2003 12:20:00




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 Re: Re: Re: R Governer problems? in reply to kevin, 09-12-2003 19:20:56  
I know I'm not standing there listening to it, but what you describe, the rev up and then down I call surging. it still sounds like that carb is lean.
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If you're sure you've got a clean carb and good fuel delivery, I would make sure I had good spark at the plugs. this involves changing plugs themselves as well as replacing points and perhaps swaping on a "known good" coil, cap and rotor button.

If its your governor, you should be able to pull the link to the carb upward and the engine should rev up without any stumble or skip. Don't hold it long, wide open throttle on these tractors is what? 1400-1500rpm?

Somebody else can wade in on this thread anytime you guys want to.

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Phil

09-15-2003 10:33:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: R Governer problems? in reply to Kelvin, 09-14-2003 12:20:00  
I have not experienced this with any of my tractors. It sounds like a fuel problem to me to me. Now.. one thing I do know.. look down into your fuel gas tank and see if there is anything "Floating" around in there. Use a flashlight. Make sure that there is not anything that could momentarily block the fuel tube.

Be SURE that your fuel tank gas cap does not have a blocked vent. On the carb. Freshly overhauled means nothing. I have rebuilt many carbs but get dirty fuel which eventually plugs up the main fuel bleed in the carb. This was even with a quality filter in the gas line.

Also, make sure that you do not have the governor linkage in a bind. By that, when you hooked up the carb. It is possible to get the linkage out of wack. I once somehow got my throttle in the wrong postion and when I hooked up the carb. I had no governor action at all, even though I could rev. the engine up and down with the throttle. That was on my UTU. Just a thought.

Lastly, you can check out the ignition system. IT would be worth changing all the plugs, wires and putting in a set of new points and condensor, cap and rotor. You can do all of that for under $50.00. Might be able to get a new coil as well. Chances are the machine needs it anyway. If memory serves me correctly the gap on the points needs to be at .020 clearance. I am assuming that you have battery/distributor ignition and not a magneto.

If you have good spark, good clean fuel and still have trouble, then check out the governor. You would have to pull it off the tractor. Take off the bottom cover and look at the internals. Alot of them get some slope inside of them and will not work right. You can usually pull on the throttle arm of the govenor some to set some tension and then spin the gear at the end and you should see the fly weights pop the linkage arm going to the carb.

If you have a worn out Governor. There is a guy in Kokomo, Indiana that can rebuild yours. Motec Engineering. I do not have his number handy. I know his first name is Matt. I think his last name is Gall. Someone else probably knows for sure. I have not talked to him in a few years.

Good Luck,

Phil

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