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Bob M

06-23-2003 12:09:38




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Just renewed the brakes on my UTU (internal expanding drum brakes). Had the old shoes relined with bonded linings. Also replaced leaking brake shaft seals and cleaned up years off hardened gear lube and dirt off the backing plates/mechanisms. The drums are in like new condition with smooth braking surfaces, and they have been thoroughly degreased. The brake shop ground the radius of the brake linings to match the ID of the drums.

Brakes now work great - will skid both tires with moderate pedal effort. However the left brake makes a loud metallic "snap" when first applied. Also sometimes it chatters under light braking effort.

I suspect it's an adjustment issue. The star wheel brake adjuster is set to it's minimum (fully retracted) adjustment and the pedal has about 1-1/2" of free play. The drums stay cool after several minutes of operation in road gear so they're not dragging. I didn't mess with the eccentric cam adjusting screw on the upper backside of the backing plate - not sure what it's purpose is. Right now it's set in it's minimum radius position.

Any tips or a procedure on how to properly adjust these brakes, or other ideas what the problem might be would be greatly appreciated!

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Kelvin

06-23-2003 18:51:20




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 Re: UTU brake question in reply to Bob M, 06-23-2003 12:09:38  
When I studied Auto Mechanics, the Old teacher said to always put the weaker spring (if there is one) on the rear shoe, and install the front spring on the anchor pin last.

As I understand it:

That way, the rear shoe needs to contact the drum first. then the front shoe touches, and its torque adds further pressure to the rear shoe. If reversed, the front shoe touches first, it then slams the rear shoe into contact with the drum.

Some anchor pins actually have a taper in the notch where the springs hook. If the springs are evenly matched, the front spring will be higher on the taper and have slightly more tension on it.

I can't recall if a U is this way or not.

All of this works in forward motion. They'll still clack when backing up.

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Bob M

06-24-2003 05:22:20




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 Re: Re: UTU brake question in reply to Kelvin, 06-23-2003 18:51:20  
Thanks Trevor�..your explanation makes sense!! Explains why my UTU indeed has two different sized brake shoe return springs - one stiffer than the other. When I took the brakes apart the stiffer springs were hooked to the front shoe, so that's how I put 'em back together. HOWEVER since the brake drums rotate opposite direction from the wheels, the "leading" shoe on these brakes are actually the rear ones. Perhaps then the stiffer springs should go to the rear? I'll try swapping springs on the left side and see what happens.

I'm still puzzled by the purpose of the eccentric adjusting screw on these brakes. It appears it's to set clearance between the rear (leading) brake shoe and the drum. However I have no idea where it should be set. I presume it should be adjusted so the shoe is a close as possible to the drum without touching it with the brake released. Guess I'll experiment with it a bit and see...

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Bob M - correction...

06-24-2003 12:03:43




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 Re: Re: Re: UTU brake question in reply to Bob M, 06-24-2003 05:22:20  
I meant thanks KELVIN!! Can't figure how I got Trevor's name in my previous post....



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Trever

06-24-2003 16:06:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: UTU brake question in reply to Bob M - correction..., 06-24-2003 12:03:43  
Hey Bob!

Like my name? J/K

I still have to finish my album on that Epson website. I'll get back to you when I finish.

Thanks,
Trever



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Kelvin

06-24-2003 15:47:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: UTU brake question in reply to Bob M - correction..., 06-24-2003 12:03:43  
Thanks for reminding me that those drums turn backward to the direction of travel. yes, the eccentrics are to hold the lowermost shoe up and keep it from dragging on the drum.



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