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D.Miller

03-07-2003 19:37:36




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Can anyone tell me what the proper paint # or code is for the red used on M.M.wheels?




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Mike

03-08-2003 12:04:44




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Posted by John McLucas on November 05, 2001 at 19:56:36: Greetings to all Moline enthusiasts. Here is my latest compilation of paint information for all MM models. My info
comes from research and from you guys. Corrections and
additions are always welcome.

Sincerely,
John McLucas in Georgia.
***************************************************************** MM Paint
According to paint codes there are three recognized shades
of Prairie Gold. The original prairie gold color was used about
two years. The three listed shades of Prairie Gold paint
colors are:

1. Original Prairie Gold (used only two years, 1936/37, or maybe 37/38)

2. Prairie Gold Number two ( used from 1938-55, and to 1959
on the GB�s)

3. Power Yellow (used from 1956-61 on Powerline models & until 1962/63 on the early Four Star, Four Star Super, M5, M-504, GVI, & G-704 tractors ) Even though the name is Power Yellow, this is actually a darker, more orange Prairie Gold, often referred to as Orange Prairie Gold or Late Prairie Gold.

4. In 1962/1963 the Energy Yellow color (an industrial yellow)
replaced Power Yellow.

What Parts are painted MM Cherry Red? Matt Gall shared this story about talking with a nice gentleman who worked for MM in the paint department from about 1948 to 1955. The conversation took place about 1980. Matt questioned him about what parts were painted red. His answer was very revealing. He told that they would get the paint out at the start of the day and paint till it ran out. At the end of the day, if they had extra prairie gold, they would paint hubs or other parts till it was gone. If they had extra red paint, they would paint whatever they could find.

Matt had seen two UBs with red grills. He checked them and did not find any yellow under the red.This gentleman told Matt that they did paint a few UB grills red. He also revealed that a few times they ran out of red paint. He said, "We painted some U�s and UB�s that didn't have a drop of red paint on them.

Matt�s sound advice is, Don't worry about what is the "right" color for parts on your tractor. Check to see what color is under
all the dirt, and paint it that color. If you want prairie gold wheels,
do it. There is no right or wrong color in painting parts.

According to Dave S, I am old enough to have seen all of these
in person at some time. Some of the very first 4 Stars looked like
445 Universals and were painted the same. Some of the first Four
Stars had 445 grills and were painted just like a 445 (ie power yellow with red wheels - no metallic brown) Apparently MM used
up paint and parts when new models were introduced, or maybe these were pre-production tractors that eventually were sold.

The Minneapolis-Moline Visionlined Z tractors began in 1936. These were the first tractors developed, produced and marketed under the Minneapolis-Moline brand name. Only 37 Z�s were made
that first year. From Brian Rukes, There is historical reference that the 1936 ZT�s were painted gray with red wheels, just like the MM/Twin City JT. The old saying that early Z's were nothing more than a JT with an RE engine stuck on them really made a lot of sense and was closer to the truth than many of us realized. In truth, that 1936
ZT did look a LOT like a JT, right down to the air cleaner out front. (B. Rukes) That could mean that original Prairie Gold number one color was first used on the Z in 1937, not 1936. The MM Twin City Model JT�s were made 1934-1937. From John Grandfield we learned that his 1937 JTU (serial number 75 from the last made), came with an RE engine, and was prairie gold, including inside the bell housing and under the strap irons on the front end. It also had the usual air cleaner for a Z. The following Prairie Gold trimmed in MM cherry red Letter models
were offered between 1936-59. Original Prairie Gold was used the first two years (let�s say 1936/37 and possibly 1938. Prairie Gold Number two was used on the letter models from about 1938/39-1959. If you have a 1938 ZT, GT, or UT, I do not know exactly which prairie gold (PG1 or PG2) is correct. Here are my best deductions based on many responses.

Z 1936 Gray with MM Cherry Red Wheels
Z 1937-38 Original Prairie Gold One with MM Cherry Red wheels
Z 1939-55 Prairie Gold Number Two with MM Cherry Red wheels
U 1938 PG1 or PG2 ? with MM Cherry Red Wheels
U 1939-57 Prairie Gold Number Two with MM Cherry Red wheels
G 1938 PG1 or PG2 ? with MM Cherry Red Wheels
G 1939-54 Prairie Gold Number Two with MM Cherry Red wheels
GB 1955-59 Prairie Gold Number Two with MM Cherry Red wheels, silver rims
R 1939-55 Prairie Gold Number Two with MM Cherry Red wheels Also the Uni-Tractor was designed, built, and marketed by M-M from 1951-1963. Early Uni�s were Prairie Gold No. 2 and MM Cherry Red. The Brown Mule Uni (Metallic Brown with Power Yellow wheels) was introduced circa 1960.

Uni-Tractor L 1951-55 PG2 & MM Cherry Red wheels
Uni-Tractor L 1956-59 Power Yellow with MM Cherry Red wheels
Uni-Tractor 1960-63 Metallic Brown with Power Yellow wheels
New Idea 700, 1964 Dyna Brown Color

In 1951, M-M purchased the BF Avery company and began selling the Minneapolis-Moline models V, BF, and BGs were trimmed in MM Cherry Red. (I do not know if the Prairie Gold of 1956-57 Avery MM�s continued to be PG2 or was switched to Power Yellow when the Powerline series was introduced. My opinion is that all Avery MM�s were PG2)
V 1951-55 Hercules IZB3 PG2 & Cherry Red
BF 1951-57 27 belt hp Hercules IXB3SL PG2 & Cherry Red
BG 1951-57 27 belt hp Hercules 1X3SL PG2 & Cherry Red

The Minneapolis-Moline Powerline series replaced the letter series. Coverage of the lower to mid power ranges was established by this line of M-M tractor models. MM slightly changed the color to Power Yellow with the introduction of the 335, 445 & 5-Star "Power-lined" series. These replaced the R, Z, & U. Although it is very similar in color to PG2, power Yellow is darker, more orange than Prairie Gold Two. The wheel trim continued to be MM Cherry Red.

335, 1956-61 33 belt hp Power Yellow & MM Cherry Red
445, 1956-59 41 belt hp Power Yellow & MM Cherry Red
Five Star 1957-61 54 pto hp Power Yellow & MM Cherry Red

In 1959 the entire Jet Star tractor is metallic brown. The wheels are trimmed in Power Yellow, and if equipped with power adjustable rear rims they are silver.

Jet Star, 1959-62 44 pto hp. Metallic Brown with Power Yellow Wheels In 1959, on the Four Star, Four Star Super, M5, M-504, GVI, & G-704 tractors, the tin is painted Power Yellow and the cast iron is painted Metallic Brown.
The hood on the M5, M-504, GVI, & G-704 tractors had a dark maroon red accent stripe (the same dark red as the decals.) The wheels are the same yellow as the tractor tin. If equipped with Power adjustable rear wheels, the rims are silver. MM used two brown colors as the early Four Star, Four Star Super, M5, M-504, GVI, & G-704 used a metallic brown color. I do not know exactly when the change to Dyna Brown occurred, but I believe it was 1963 when the Energy Yellow color (an industrial yellow) was introduced. That could mean that Metallic Brown goes with Power Yellow and Dyna Brown goes with Energy Yellow. MM paint departments most likely used up existing supplies before switching to the new Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown. If that is correct the early Four Star, Four Star Super, M5, GVI, & G-704 were painted Power Yellow (the late or orange prairie gold) and Metallic Brown, then in late 1962 or early 1963 the colors on these models were changed to Energy Yellow (an industrial yellow) and Dyna Brown?

Four Star..... .... 1959-62.. Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
Four Star..... .... 1963-64.. Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
Four Star Super... 1959-62.. Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
Four Star Super... 1963-64.. Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
M-5..... ..... .... 1960-62.. Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
M-5..... ..... .... 1963-64.. Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown M-504..... ..... . 1962..... Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
G-VI..... ..... ... 1959-62.. Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
G-704..... ..... .. 1962..... Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
G-705, & G-706.. 1962-65.. Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown

In 1962/63 MM introduced Energy Yellow (an industrial yellow). The change from metallic brown to Dyna Brown occurred by or at this time. On the following models the cast metal is Dyna Brown and the tin is Energy Yellow with some white hood trim. In 1967 the Dyna Brown is dropped and MM tractors were predominately yellow and white with a black hood stripe. Jet Star 2, 1963. Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
Jet Star 3, 1964-65 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
Jet Star 3 Super 1965-66 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
Jet Star 3 Super 1967-70 Energy Yellow and White with black trim on hood
M-602 1963-64 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown, white bandana
M-604 1963-64 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown, white bandana
M-670 1964-65 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown, white bandana
M670 Super 1966- Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
M670 Super 1967-70 Energy Yellow and White with black trim on hood
U-302 1964-65 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown, white bandana U302 Super 1966 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown
U302 Super 1967-70 Energy Yellow and White with black trim on hood

The M-M �G� series tractors were all six cylinder by 1959. They were the largest most powerful series of M-M tractors. The tin on the G-VI and G-704 was painted Power Yellow and the cast iron was Metallic Brown. The hood on the GVI, & G-704 tractors had a dark maroon red accent stripe (the same dark red as the decals.) The wheels are the same yellow as the tractor tin. If equipped with Power adjustable rear wheels, the rims are silver.

G-VI..... ..... ..... 1959-62 Power Yellow and Metallic Brown
G-704...4-WD..... 1962 Power Yellow and Metallic Brown Then beginning with the G-705, & G-706 the tin color was Energy Yellow with white bandana trim across the front and grill. The hood had a black trim band. On the G-707 & G-708 the white bandana trim stripe was raised up and extended all the way down the sides of the hood with the Minneapolis-Moline name decal on this white stripe. The brown color on the cast iron was changed from metallic to Dyna Brown and the rear wheels were Energy Yellow with silver rear rims. Early G1000�s wore Energy Yellow tin with Dyna Brown cast metal.

G-705, & G-706.... 1962-65 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown, white bandana
G-707 & G-708..... 1965- Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown G-1000..... ..... ... 1965-66 Energy Yellow and Dyna Brown Beginning in 1967 the Dyna Brown was dropped. Yellow and white two tone hood with black trim band set the tone for the remainder of the MM�s existence. Fenders and cast metal were Industrial Yellow. In the 1970�s some wheels were white with silver rims.(Which models? Probably the Oliver Molines� influence.)

G-1000 ..... ..... ..... ..... 1967-69 Yellow, White, with Black hood trim band
G-900 & G-1000 Vista..... . 1967-70 Yellow, White, with Black hood trim band
G-950, G-1050 & G-1350... 1969-71 Yellow, White, with Black hood trim band
G-1355..... ..... ..... ..... .. 1972-73 Yellow, White, with Black hood trim band
G-955..... ..... ..... ..... ... 1973-74 Yellow, White, with Black hood trim band

White Motor Company purchased Oliver Farm Equipment Corp. in 1960, Cockshutt Farm Equipment Corp. in 1962, and M-M in 1963. After the purchase, White began consolidating production of the tractor brands and sold the following four Oliver models as Oliver, Cockshutt, and M-M with the principal differences being the paint color, decals, and grill. These were mid-sized Oliver tractors painted Oliver meadow green trimmed in clover white, MM energy yellow or Cockshutt red. The Oliver Molines had white wheels with the rear rims painted silver. They were:

MM G-550 1971 only =Oliver 1555 1970-75 also =Cockshutt 1555 53 pto hp MM G-750 1971 only =Oliver 1655 1969-75 also =Cockshutt 1655 70 pto hp MM G-850 1971 only =Oliver 1755 1970-75 also =Cockshutt 1755 86 pto hp MM G-940 1971 only =Oliver 1855 1969-75 also =Cockshutt 1855 92 pto hp

From 1971-1975 White sold two diesel imports made in Italy by Fiat as Oliver, MM, &Cockshutt. These were identical tractors with different paint colors, decals, and grills. MM G-350 (1971 only) = Oliver 1265 (1971-75) = Cockshutt 1265 41 pto hp. - 3-cylinder
MM G-450 (1971 only) = Oliver 1365 (1971-75) = Cockshutt 1365 54 pto hp. - 4-cylinder

In the 1970�s some of the G-1050, G-1350, and A4T-1600�s were painted Heritage colors in celebration of the upcoming 1976 American bicentennial. (i.e. red and white with blue trim band and blue stars.) �Not all Red MM's were heritage, some were just plain red and white (A4T's, G1050�s, & G1350�s.) This red appears to be the same as the White Motor Co. "Sumac red" as applied to most MM implements and White Combines.� (M. Johnson) White Motor Co.had purchased MM in 1963.
Also from Martin Johnson, �On My A4T-1600 the black hood stripe is actually 3M reflector tape. being silver in the dark!!! Also the MM decal on the LP fuel tank is reflectorized. From Roger Brock, I have a 1970 G-1050 that also has the reflective black stripe.� And from John Grandfield, �I had a M5 with a reflective black stripe.) Also don't forget about the 50 & 55 series that are stenciled Minneapolis Moline, but are Oliver Green with Clover white wheels & trim! I can't wait until we have the puzzle figured out, all things I'm working on for my MM history book. - -food for thought - - great work John. - - MAJ


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RED:

1. M-M Implement Red Part # JT9060 (Original Color)
2. Martin-Senour Synthol Cherry Red # 90G540
3. Martin-Senour Acrylic Enamel Cherry Red # 99G540

YELLOW:

1. M-M # 15P1015 - Yellow Gloss Enamel (Original Color)
2. White Farm Equip. - Enamel - M-M Industrial Yellow #20-7002235
3. Martin Senour-Acrylic Enamel Federal Yellow # MSE 036A (M-M Industrial Yellow)
4. Dupont Centrai-Penske Yellow - Penske Leasing Co. # K9590AK
(M-M Industrial Yellow)
5. Sherwin-Williams Industrial Yellow # JK 9056

PRAIRIE GOLD:

1. Dupont-Dulux Enamel #006DH Gold (Early - Original Color, used
approximately 2 years).
2. P.P.G. - Acrylic Enamel # DAR 60098X (Early Gold)
3. P.P.G. - Acrylic Enamel # DAR 60039 (Prairie Gold #2)
4. Dupont-Dulux - Enamel # 020DH Orange (Late Prairie Gold)
5. AG-One-WFE Prairie Gold Enamel (old # 209002234,
new #79014808)
6. AG-One-White-New Idea M-M Prairie Gold (spray can)
(old # 20-7002250, new #79014834)
7. Martin-Senour Prairie Gold - Synthol Enamel # 90T3749
8. Martin-Senour Prairie Gold - Acrylic # 99L3749
9. Central Tractor Farm & Family - M-M Gold Enamel # 9432-060

BROWNS:

1. M-M Dyna Brown Enamel # 15P919 (10R1346) Original Color
2. M-M Metallic Brown - Enamel # 15P814 (Original Color)
3. P.P.G. - Acrylic Lacquer # D D L 230049 (Dyna Brown)
4. Sherwin Williams - Dyna Brown # 33-31322-G
6. Dupont Acrylic Enamel # C8194AH (Metallic Brown)

GRAY:

1. M-M # JT 9057 Twin City Gray (Original Color)
2. Rust-Oleum Waukesha Gray # 724
3. P.P.G. Acrylic Enamel (T-C Gray) # DAR 31953

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There are times when working on an old tractor that we have to decide what we are going to do with it. I have found that show
tractors need better paint than do work tractors. Keeping this in mind I would like to tell you of a great way to get a very nice finish
on your work or pulling tractor for very little money.

I go to my local TCS (Tractor Supply Co.) or Central Tractor and buy
BPS (Best Paint Systems) Minneapolis-Moline Gold paint for the tractor and New Holland Red or Farmall Red for the wheels. I then
go get Acrylic Enamel Hardner from my local parts house. Mix the
paint and hardner according to the label on the hardner. Make sure you use Acrylic Enamel hardner ---- it makes it much hardner than Enamel hardner does. Thin the paint with either Naptha thinner or some cheap Lacquer wash thinner. This will give you a very nice finish for under $100.

For those of you that think this won't work, go to my "Look At My
Tractor" page and look at my tractor. I painted it this way over 18
months ago and it still looks good. Best of all you can get spray cans to use for touch-up.

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Jim Parisot

03-07-2003 21:42:13




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to D.Miller, 03-07-2003 19:37:36  
D.Miller,

The paint I use is a PPG acrylic enamel, No. DAR72083 H. It is an exact match to the M-M red.

Jim



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