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TX Denny

01-22-2003 08:09:22

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I have a Minneapolis Moline Z with the serial number of 584035E. This number is 6000 over the starting number in 1947. Since they made only about 1000 to 2000 of these per year, it seems unlikely that it is a 1947. The ZA didn't come out until 1949 - according to my book, there are no 1948 Z tractors. And the model number of my tractor is ZTE - not ZTS, ZTU or ZTN. It also has a wide front end and I've never seen that in any pictures either. Can anyone shed any light on the Z deal in 1948 and what year my tractor is and are there any other ZTE tractors around?
Thanks,

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BMG

01-22-2003 14:26:50

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Re: Moline Z in reply to TX Denny, 01-22-2003 08:09:22

TX Denny,
Jim's right. You've got a pretty rare tractor!
There were only 712 ZTE tractors made in 1947 and 1948 only. From the serial # list I have it looks like MM made a trial run of 12 ZTE and 12 RTE in 1947. Maybe its just coincidence but it was the first year for the extendable wide front end. The ZTU/N/E tractors were made through 1948 but the ZTS was only made through 1947. Here's the ZTE serial #'s:

1947 580802-580813 (12 total)
1948 583415-583714 (300 total-batch 1)
1948 583818-584217 (400 total-batch 2)

Hope this is what you were looking for. In contrast there were 3203 ZTU and 100 ZTN made in 1948.

Brian

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TX Denny

01-23-2003 12:10:05

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Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to BMG, 01-22-2003 14:26:50

Thanks for the info. I had a couple of serial number books and neither has this information. When I bought it, I thought it had to be 1948 because of the serial number. I couldn't find any reference to ZTE. Some people told me that it was an experimental and that is what the E meant. Since it isn't experimental, E must mean extended or something. Ever see any of these around? I once saw a picture of one owned by a guy in Montana but that is it. Will send pictures to anyone interested. Mine's a great Z. Thanks again,

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BMG

01-23-2003 13:45:42

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Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to TX Denny, 01-23-2003 12:10:05

I'd love to see a picture. After Jim's explanation I should be able to tell you what front end you have - early/late. No I haven't seen any ZTE models at least not here in Michigan at any shows or auctions. The "E" stands for Extendable wide front just like the "U" means Universal, "S" = Standard and "N" means single front. I've found the best serial # reference for MM's so far is in the back of the book "Minneapolis-Moline Farm Tractors" by Peterson and Beemer.

Brian

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TX Denny

01-23-2003 19:00:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to BMG, 01-23-2003 13:45:42

Most of my pictures don't show the front end design at all. But I found one rather poor picture and put it in the photo Gallery of this site. I'll send you one by email tomorrow.

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BMG

01-24-2003 14:12:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to TX Denny, 01-23-2003 19:00:15

From the gallery picture you've got an early wide front. The small "jacking" tabs at either end are the give away. The later front ends had a 4x6" or so plate welded to the front and rear face of the "I" beam at each end. Nice looking tractor! There's a picture of our RTE farther down in the picture gallery with the later front end for comparison.

Brian Gonyea

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jake

01-28-2003 18:56:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to BMG, 01-24-2003 14:12:40

I would like to find any information about the minny mo model ZB. We have one on our farm with a jackson brickloader/highlift 21' self leveling unit attachement but it is in need of a lot of work and some parts, it is believed to be a 1948 model.

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Jim Parisot

01-22-2003 09:28:25

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Re: Moline Z in reply to TX Denny, 01-22-2003 08:09:22

TX Denny,

I don't know where you got your misinformation, but if I were you I'd be grinning from ear to ear, as you have a pretty rare tractor. There sure were Zekes produced in 1948, and yours is one of them. I don't have the list for Z's of the breakdown by front end type U/N/E, but someone should post the number of ZTE's for you, and even confirm that your serial number correlates to that list. FYI I'll list the last few years of Z serial numbers, which includes the ZTU, ZTN, and ZTE. Your tractor should have the first type, lighter (non reinforced) wide front.

1943 571422 - 572967
1944 572968 - 575712
1945 575713 - 576813
1946 576814 - 578013
1947 578014 - 581814
1948 581815 - 585817

Hope this helps.

Jim

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TX Denny

01-23-2003 12:12:42

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Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to Jim Parisot, 01-22-2003 09:28:25

My front end is built like an I beam on it's side. I'd put a picture on here if I knew how to.

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TX Denny

01-23-2003 12:02:34

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Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to Jim Parisot, 01-22-2003 09:28:25

My "mis-information" comes from the "Belt Pulley Antique Tractor Serial Number Index". Sure wasn't trying to be smart. They don't show any ZTE tractors at all and no ZTU, ZTN or ZTS in 1948.

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BMG

01-22-2003 14:13:36

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Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to Jim Parisot, 01-22-2003 09:28:25

Jim,
Can you shed some light on the differences of a light (non reinforced) wide front. Would this be different than what's on my 1950 RTE? Thanks!

Brian

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Jim Parisot

01-22-2003 16:45:30

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Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to BMG, 01-22-2003 14:13:36

Brian,

I'm pretty sure your 1950 RTE would have the reinforced wide front. If you look at your tractor you will see the front axle is basically an I beam and will probably have a, about 3/8" steel plate, welded to the front and back of it. The ealier ones, like my 1948 RTE did not have this. The early units had what M-M called a jacking plate welded toward each end of the axle. The later ones didn't have this, but had a "tab" welded way out on the end. The knuckles and axle extensions were different, too. On the early tractors the knuckles had an RT number cast in and the later ones had a 10A number cast in. Seeing as how a picture is worth a thousand words, the only place I've seen the early assembly pictured is in both the ZA shop and owners manuals. All the rest of the pictures in U, R, Z parts manuals esp, are of the later type.

I've tried to narrow down when the change took place, the best I can come up with is at the start of 1949 production or sometime during. The "new" R parts book #R-1086 issued in Oct. 1949 for the late sheet metal R's already showed the late numbers. Hope this sheds some light.

Jim

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BMG

01-22-2003 17:43:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Moline Z in reply to Jim Parisot, 01-22-2003 16:45:30

Jim,
Thank you very much. Excellent info! I never knew there were 2 different front end types between the early and late versions. I looked up the books you referenced and I definitely have the later style on my 1950 RTE with the 3/8" plates on the outer ends of the axle assy. There's a bolt that goes through the front and back plate on either side and under the axle extensions. I'm not sure what this bolt is for but I'd guess its there as a safety measure or as added strength to the axle. I'll have to keep my eye open for the early type. That is "if" I ever find a 1947 or 48 RTE or ZTE.

Thanks again! I really enjoy learning new bits of info like this.

Brian

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