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freddy

12-24-2002 08:18:33




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Did anyone see the picture of a white 2200 on E-Bay? I have heard of MM's last big prototype with inboard planetaries and a new tranny, but this is the closest I've seen to a real tractor that maybe matches the story. Does anyone out there know more about this prototype and the history behind it?




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mike verhulst

12-27-2002 18:07:13




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 Re: white 2200 in reply to freddy, 12-24-2002 08:18:33  
The 2200 was to be the first "White" tractor. It was going to use the new White 429 engine built at the new engine plant in Canton,Ohio next to the Herculus plant. The tractor had 3 speed powershift ahead of a 5 speed transmission. The transmission also had a mechanical shuttle. The 3 speed and 5 speed were both completely new dseigns. The final drive was a modified verision of the G1050 with differental lock and power brakes. The largest version (2200) had outboard plantaries like the G1350. The pto was from an Oliver 1955 with hydraulic clutch. The 3 point and hydraulics were from the G1050. It had a cast Oliver style fornt frame to support the engine. The engine was cantilivered from the bellhousing so there was no structural loading on it. The platform was flat and designed for easy mounting of a fully enclosed "pod" cab. All of the control linkeages went through a pivot for good sealing. The instrument panel pivoted with the steering wheel. Operators staion was foreward for a big door and easy entry to the cab. The fuel tank was behind the cab. There was a 4wd version also.

The tractor was designed in 69 & 70 at the time White first combined Oliver and MM. A few prototypes were built and some testing done. White Motor was short of money and the program stoped in late 70 or early 71 to make improvements to existing models.

I worked on the project for about a year. It was fully developed when work stopped but had a lot of good features that are now common.

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Freddy

12-27-2002 20:38:15




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 Re: Re: white 2200 in reply to mike verhulst, 12-27-2002 18:07:13  
Mike, you talked about the white 429 engine? was that cubic inches or just a designation? and do you know what happened to it? So that picture of a White 2200 was not a White 2200 than. Do you know the number for the one with out outboard planetaries like in the picture. My opinion is that White should of kept each line separate with combine manufacturing left to Cockshutt, small tractors under a 110 HP left to Oliver, Large tractor to MM. Using the strongest parts of each with White pushing farm trucks also. This family of Companies , combining there history, would have made a very strong selling image. yet synergies in manufacturing could of cross transfered technology back and forth from tractor to truck. tractor to tractor. From some of the finest examples of American ingenuity we now have nothing but the past.

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mike verhulst

12-29-2002 10:15:29




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 Re: Re: Re: white 2200 in reply to Freddy, 12-27-2002 20:38:15  
The 429 was cubic inches. It was 6 cylinder engine. There was also a 4 cylinder version to be used in smaller tractors. There was also a over 900 cubic v-8 version being worked on to go in White trucks. White wanted to get back to their own engine in their trucks rather than using Cummins and Detroit. The tractor companies gave them a place to put White engines and help carry the overhead of an engine plant until they could develope the reliability and reputation to sell the engines in their trucks. Tractor sells went down in the late 60's at the same time as large truck sales and White did not have the financial resources to finsh the plan. The engine plant was built and tooled but never produced any engines other than prototypes. I believe the plant was eventally sold to Perkins. I think they assembled a few Perkins 354's in the plant in the mid 70's, but had their own financial problems. The 2200 style tractor was never tooled for production. Test work was stopped after a number of prototypes were built.

I believe the picture for sell on e-bay is a picture of a styling mockup tractor in Charles City. It didn't run. I am not sure of the different proposed model numbers. I though the largest one with the outboard planetaries was going to be the 2200. There were going to be models from about 60 to 150 hp. The largest one was added late. The size of the largest row crop tractors was increasing at a rapid rate at this time. Over 100 hp tractors had only been around for a few years at this time.

After the 2200 was stopped, the plan was to use Oliver tractors up to 100hp, and Moline tractors over 100hp. This was the plan for part of one year. Many of the Oliver dealers wanted a large Oliver tractor to replace the 2050 and 2150. When tractor sales continued to be very low in 71 and White looking to reduce it's losses, it was decided to close the MM plant in Minneapolis.

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freddy

12-29-2002 10:50:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: white 2200 in reply to mike verhulst, 12-29-2002 10:15:29  
That sure is a sad ending to 4 great companies. From their start to the fifties these companies were the leaders and innovators. Then all sorts of bad timing and bad luck killed them off one at a time. we have 14 MM tractors mostly later models with some older. our last tractors to get home are the A4T-1400 with 585, G1350 diesel, G950LP, G1000 Vista diesel, G1000LP Wheatland. If you have any more info I would sure like to hear about it.

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Mike Verhulst

12-29-2002 16:57:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: white 2200 in reply to freddy, 12-29-2002 10:50:56  
Moline started to go downhill in the 50's when the Redding brothers got contol and sold off everthing they could and then sold what was left of the company. This was one of the first examples of buying a company and raiding it. It takes good management good products and some luck to keep a company going strong for many years. Once a company is raided and gats behind in product developement, manufacturing and marketing it is almst impossible to survive long term.

I worked for Moline/ White/ Oliver from 1968-1974 when I quit to start farming. There were a lot of very talented people working for both Moline and Oliver who did a lot with very limited resources compared to some of the bigger farm machinery companies. Unfortunality, White did not have the finanical resources to compete. Work was a challange but it was fun because there was minimal red tape and things happened quickly. You were able to make an impact and see some results quickly.

I collect Moline tractors and implements also. I have a number of tractors to restore. I still use several Molines to farm with.

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