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Duane P

01-04-2001 01:06:33




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Have heard rumors of an experimental massey tractor, possibly in Iowa or Minnesota or thereabouts. Supposed to have a MH 55 rearend, big Contenental engine, strange cast frame similar to 55 frame but not idenical, 3 pt hitch, which appears factory, narrow front end and 1100 hood and fenders. Sounds ho-made dosent it? I thought so too, but stop and think of some of the wierd tractors that have been surfaceing as of late that were experiments of Ford, Moline, Oliver, Case, IHC, AC and others. Just take a look at the AC that was supposed to replace the WC. Looks more like a D17 than a WD or WD45 dosent it? Look at the experimental M Farmall with the 10 speed dual range transmission, that wasnt used until the 806, the live pto that was put aside until the SMTA. Is it possible there were experimental Masseys too? Anyone else heard of this tractor?.

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Dick B (IL)

01-05-2001 07:58:46




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 Re: Massey Experimental Tractor in reply to Duane P, 01-04-2001 01:06:33  
It is rare that a prototype model from any maunfacturer, after field evaluation, survives the manufacturer's scrappers torch. The only example I can think of right now is the little 2 cyl Minneapolis-Moline tractor.

I read somewhere, and I can't for the life of me remember where, the reason the MH line of tractors were discontinued was because they were already obsolete in the mid '50s. They hadn't had a new design in many years. The transmision/final drive design in the 33/44 tractors was more than 15 years old. That in the 55 was older still. Look at all the machining required to produce a 55 case, with all its seperate parts. Live hydraulics and LPTO were all "add ons", designed after the fact. It would have taken mega bucks to redesign and retool the conventional MH tractor line. MHF decided to bank their future in the more economical and smallish Ferguson line, and contract out for big machines, ie: the 97.

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J.T.

01-11-2001 15:58:53




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 Re: Re: Massey Experimental Tractor in reply to Dick B (IL), 01-05-2001 07:58:46  
Regarding your comments about the 33/44 model tractors being 15 years old and obsolete in the mid-50's. If this is the case, then all other tractors must have been obsolete also. The 33/44 was based off of the 1938 101 model. Is it not true that a Super M Farmall built in the mid-50's is just an improved version of a 1939 Model M, which is also 15-16 years old? Same goes for other makes; such as, WC/WD Allis, CC/DC Case, red nose Moline U's/later model U's. A styled "A" John Deere was an updated, but same basic design as the early unstyled "A's".

The reason for the MH line of tractors being discontinued was do to the fact that Harry Ferguson was in charge of research and development for Massey. The reason MHF did not come out with a larger tractor was because Harry Ferguson only developed his small utility tractor. Massey later realized they had made a mistake and had missed out on large tractor development, therefore seeking Moline in purchasing a large tractor. It would not have been any more expensive to redesign the M-H line of tractors then it would have been to redesign any other make or model.

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J.T.

01-11-2001 15:55:54




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 Re: Re: Massey Experimental Tractor in reply to Dick B (IL), 01-05-2001 07:58:46  
Regarding your comments about the 33/44 model tractors being 15 years old and obsolete in the mid-50's. If this is the case, then all other tractors must have been obsolete also. The 33/44 was based off of the 1938 101 model. Is it not true that a Super M Farmall built in the mid-50's is just an improved version of a 1939 Model M, which is also 15-16 years old? Same goes for other makes; such as, WC/WD Allis, CC/DC Case, red nose Moline U's/later model U's. A styled "A" John Deere was an updated, but same basic design as the early unstyled "A's".

The reason for the MH line of tractors being discontinued was do to the fact that Harry Ferguson was in charge of research and development for Massey. The reason MHF did not come out with a larger tractor was because Harry Ferguson only developed his small utility tractor. Massey later realized they had made a mistake and had missed out on large tractor development, therefore seeking Moline in purchasing a large tractor. It would not have been any more expensive to redesign the M-H line of tractors then it would have been to redesign any other make or model.

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Paul in NM

01-04-2001 07:22:12




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 Re: Massey Experimental Tractor in reply to Duane P, 01-04-2001 01:06:33  
Duane - in early 1956 Massey-Harris-Ferguson was seriously talking about the introduction of a Ferguson F-65 tractor and virtual copy with different styling and colors for the Massey-Harris Division to be called the M-H 75. These tractors were in to be in the 40+ hp range and to have a completely new draft control hydraulic system. They had even gone so far as to begin design of new implements for these tractors. When dealers pressed them for an introduction date, M-H-F officials refused to commit themselves. For reasons never fully explained to the public, these tractors never materialized.

Whether or not what you have heard about is related to these tractors I do not know.

Paul Nelson

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Joe Poncelet

01-06-2001 13:29:28




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 Re: Re: Massey Experimental Tractor in reply to Paul in NM, 01-04-2001 07:22:12  
Yes, it is true there is such a Tractor! I saw it my self! I even have some pictures of it somewhere in my pile of Massey stuff! It was at the Massey Harris Reunion at Tim Paces last summer in June 2000. It was still in the rough, but very complete. There was alot of talking going on over this rare specie and if it gets into the right hands will be a one of a kind Awesome Piece! If interested in pictures write me back and I will see if I can find some and scan them so I can email them to you. Thanks, Joe

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