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MF 135 Waht do I need to know

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jeri

05-05-2008 21:14:15




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I'm contemplating the purchase of MF 135 Diesel. Am fairly smart about mechanical things, used to work on my own cars before 1990. A tractor is a whole new ballgame. I don't even begin to know what to look for or test for when I'm test-driving, etc. Can anybody give me a clue what's important, what's okay if it's not working, you know, the short course on how to buy a tractor. Someone has told me to look at the power steering unit for leaks, and to check that the transmission/hydraulic fluid doesn't have water in it. I dont' even understand exactly how the 3-point or PTO work. I'm supposed to go look at it tomorrow. HELP. jeri

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Rick(wat,on)

05-07-2008 19:33:22




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know in reply to jeri, 05-05-2008 21:14:15  
Jeri. If it starts and runs at that price don't look a gift horse in the mouth to long. You should go to church and pray for forgiveness if you end up getting it. A very good deal here in Canada.



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jeri

05-07-2008 21:18:20




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know in reply to Rick(wat,on), 05-07-2008 19:33:22  
Just wanted to let you guys know that I bought the tractor, thanks in BIG part to the help I got on this forum. In particular, Dave, your list of things to look at was very useful for the first visit. You guys are the best, and you'll probably hear more from me, because I'm a real innocent when it comes to tractors.

I had a friend who is a diesel engineer, home mechanic and all-around knowledgeable guy go out with me tonight to look at it and drive it for me. He gave it the thumbs up, and I gave the owner a deposit on the spot. The owner is throwing in a back blade (slightly bent) and delivery, his 6 years of service records, and a couple of manuals at that price also. Somebody sure must like me today. Thanks again for all your help. jeri (dumb girl)

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jeri

05-07-2008 21:17:52




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know in reply to Rick(wat,on), 05-07-2008 19:33:22  
Just wanted to let you guys know that I bought the tractor, thanks in BIG part to the help I got on this forum. In particular, Dave, your list of things to look at was very useful for the first visit. You guys are the best, and you'll probably hear more from me, because I'm a real innocent when it comes to tractors.

I had a friend who is a diesel engineer, home mechanic and all-around knowledgeable guy go out with me tonight to look at it and drive it for me. He gave it the thumbs up, and I gave the owner a deposit on the spot. The owner is throwing in a back blade (slightly bent) and delivery, his 6 years of service records, and a couple of manuals at that price also. Somebody sure must like me today. Thanks again for all your help. jeri (dumb girl)

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DavidP, South Wales

05-06-2008 00:52:44




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know in reply to jeri, 05-05-2008 21:14:15  
Hi Jeri, crash course in tractor buying coming up;
1/ Walk slowly around it several times and look closely at the general condition, breakages, dents, tarted up paintwork. This can tell you a lot about its past.
2/Look at tyre condition, cuts, cracks, tread.
3/Look for any signs of oil around the brake drums inside the rear wheels.
4/Check the hours, may not be original clock.
5/Check the condition of the 3-pt. A lot of wear in the lift arm balls suggests a lot of work. If it has a swinging drawbar, check for elongation of the pin hole. Check for general sloppiness and wear.
6/If it is a swept axle type, look at the axle pivot pin and bushing. One bush should be fitted with minimal wear present. If it is a straight axle type, move one wheel back and forth to check for wear in the bushes/pin. Check for a significant gap at the top of the kingpin. Anything more than about 3/16" suggests wear in the thrust bearings. May have had a loader fitted at some time. ROck steering wheel back and forth and check for wear in ball joints and loss of movement anywhere. Minor movement will be required to activate PAS.
7/Start engine, should start almost immediately from cold. Heat will not be required. Be wary if the engine is running when you arrive "to warm it up". Warm the engine up and remove the engine dipstick. A little blowback is OK but if it starts blowing drops of oil out the crankcase pressure is excessive. Listen for it running evenly on 3 cyls. Open throttle fully and check for excess black or white smoke at startup. Carefully remove the radiator cap and check for any air bubbles coming up in the rad.
8/Check instruments, charge, tractormeter etc.
9/ Sitting in seat. Check stability of seat. Move hydraulic levers to 'Constant Pumping' and 'Draft' lever up.You should hear the relief valve blowing and the idle engine speed dip a little. A slight 'rattling' noise is an MF phenomenon. Not normally a problem unless it is excessive. Lower the 3-pt with the 'Position' lever and either attcah an implement of have an assistant push down on them and select different heights and ensure they stop at the selected height.
10/Assume it is not a Multi-Power tractor. Press the clutch pedal. It should be a dual stage unit. You will feel a resistance about halfway down. Press the pedal to this point and make sure you can engage gear smoothly. It is normal to have to wait several seconds before engagement occurs. Do not force it into gear. Check for sloppiness in the main gearlever pivot. Wear here can lead to it becoming stuck in gear.
Push the pedal to the floor. Engage the PTO. Move the lever at your left side rearwards. It should engage smoothly. Release the pedal, shaft should turn. Press the pedal again to the second stage. Observe the shaft. it should stop turning with the pedal about one inch from full 'down'. If not adjustment will be needed.
11/ Drive the tractor around, check for smooth steering from lock to lock, degree of PAS, efficiency of brakes and balance, operation of handbrake pawl.
12/Listen for any rumbles,groans, strange noises.
That should get you going to start. Any further questions please come back.

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supergrumpy

05-07-2008 10:30:26




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 05-06-2008 00:52:44  
thats the fancy way to buy an old tractor

done lot different in upstate NY:

you take along your BIL, stop for cold sixers 2 or 3 times at Stewarts and arrive lot later than planned usually after dark, burp loudly all thru negotiations

tractor battery will be dead, get hands good and greasy trying to jump start it

if it starts you knock $250 off price and drive it home in the dark

if it doesn't start you knock $500 off the price and tow it home with rusty chain from under the seat

it will either be biggest money pit you ever owned or best darn tractor ever made, no way to tell in advance

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jeri

05-07-2008 08:21:12




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know-Addendum in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 05-06-2008 00:52:44  
Went to look at the tractor, it appears to be in good shape. One thing that surprised me is that I turned the key, and the tractor started up in gear. Actually the word is probably "scared" not surprised. Is this common? Or does it show that the clutch is bad or something else. And Thanks Dave, your reply was REALLY helpful, and I printed your post and took it with me to look at the tractor. jeri (Dumb girl)

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Dean

05-07-2008 10:45:11




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know-Addendum in reply to jeri, 05-07-2008 08:21:12  
Jeri:

The MF 135 has a neutral start interlock switch that prevents starting the engine unless the range shifter is in neutral. Apparently this has been bypassed on the tractor that you looked at.

A new neutral interlock switch costs less than $20.00 and can be replaced in about 10 minutes. The fact that it has been bypassed on this tractor may be indicative of the owner's philosophy towards maintenance and repair.

Unless it is extraordiarily inexpensive, I would look elsewhere.

Dean

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jeri

05-07-2008 11:54:09




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know-Addendum in reply to Dean, 05-07-2008 10:45:11  
The price is $2850, and the current owner has mainteneance records for the 6 years he has owned it. He didn't seem to be aware that it shouldn't start in gear. Thanks so much for your reply. I am having a friend go with me tonight to look at it. jeri (Dumb girl)



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DavidP, South Wales

05-07-2008 14:25:32




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know-Addendum in reply to jeri, 05-07-2008 11:54:09  
Hi Jeri,....dumb girl....no way.
You have asked for help on this site. That's the SMART thing to do!!!!
You have mentioned the tractor starts in gear. Is the main gear lever engaged when you start or is it the Hi/Lo lever that is engaged? If the main is engaged but the Hi/Lo is in neutral that's OK but not the other way round. Another little pointer which I always check when looking at a tractor is to look at the bolts that connect the gearbox to the engine. There is one bolt at the 12 o'clock position (on top, centre) which can be quite difficult to fit. If the level of maintenance is sloppy this bolt is frequenly left out because the mechanic can't be bothered to fit it.
Cheers
DavidP, South Wales

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Dean

05-07-2008 12:07:11




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 Re: MF 135 Waht do I need to know-Addendum in reply to jeri, 05-07-2008 11:54:09  
Jeri:

$2850 is quite low for a running MF-135 diesel.

If it runs and operates and the PTO transmission, lift and steering appear OK, it's hard to go wrong at that price.

Dean



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