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MF-135 variations by country.

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Gerald J.

04-20-2008 09:47:39




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I'm just reading a book on the MF-100 and 1000 families. Part is based on sales brochures. Those show MF-135 were for sure made in USA, UK, France, Germany, Spain, and Mexico with variations in engines, wheels, tires, transmissions, tinwork, hydraulics and lights. And the sales brochure for Holland had different specifications for its tractors than those sold in France where the brochure said those tractors were made.

Its likely that official sales in other countries had different specifications according to the regulations of the country such as weaker or stronger roll over protectionn or not.

So when we ask about MF-135 on this forum we need to hint where and when made to be sure to get totally valid advice.

Gerald J.

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Steve IA

04-21-2008 03:52:01




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 Re: MF-135 variations by country. in reply to Gerald J., 04-20-2008 09:47:39  
Interesting thread, but I've yet to find the definitive source defining differences so as to ID where my 135 was made. Finding mine a year ago in the MidWest USA, I assume it is US made, but the cavalier lack of ID numbers (only placed on a tin tag [often missing] on the dash) makes it nearly impossible to positively ID. I think I did all the research possible and read all the ID threads here but with an oddball I can't be sure. I think mine is a '72 Orchard 135 w/Perkins gas engine. I never would have gotten that close without the help of the fine MF board members here. Dealers are wide spread now days (50 miles either way) but I've been lucky finding the few parts I needed to get it up and running (and stopping) to my needs. I've been spoiled with information on my other tractor, a Ford 8N. It was made for a relatively long time in few (one?) location with few changes and those are well documented by the feverish collectors. That said, I love my 135. Thanks for bringing this up. Steve IA

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DavidP, South Wales

04-20-2008 11:06:13




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 Re: MF-135 variations by country. in reply to Gerald J., 04-20-2008 09:47:39  
Hello Gerald,
You are absolutely right. Taken globally the variations are a minefield and it would certainly help in identifying some problems if we were able to have a clearer idea of which type of item is fitted. An example of this is the power steering system on the 135. I believe that all UK and European tractors share the same type of system with the actuating valve on the steering column supplied by a pump and going to the rams on the front axle. The North American tractors have a power assisted 'box'. Another example is the fitting of alternators. Alternators were not fitted to 135's here and began with the 200 and 500 series in around 1975. I believe they were fitted a lot earlier in NA.
There are of course variations across the UK and Europe but these tend to be of a more superficial nature.
The only problem with this is that most people who post asking for help are not aware that there are any differences and only know about their particular tractor.
So, to follow your theme it would certainly help if the age, location etc could be given.
Cheers
DavidP, South Wales

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Gerald J.

04-20-2008 11:57:29




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 Re: MF-135 variations by country. in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 04-20-2008 11:06:13  
Yes the US 135 power steering works like the occasional US MF-35 power steering with a 4x4" cylinder on the front of the steering gear box with a rack running on top the upper gear. Its definitely power assist, not power steering. Then the parts book shows a gaggle of different power steering pumps and reservoirs.

Early Perkins and all Continental engines used a generator. And that's complicated by a little gear box on the generator used with Continental that drives the tachometer. The Perkins engines drive the tachmeter from the back of the camshaft so changing those to an alternator as the factory did is easy. It costs a tachometer to do it with the Continental engine. Fortunately my MF-135 with Continental engine has a good generator that has stood up running a 12 amp sprayer pump for several years now. And after I tweaked the new voltage regulator that came with it about 20 years ago, I'm getting good battery life.

Most of the European production used Perkins AD-152 or AD-152S engines but some of the German production used German engines and totally different wheels. Some of the pictures in this book are mislabeled too, one claiming its a US gas when the decal on the tractor says diesel. Many of the pictures show a herringbone from being rescanned from printed pictures and there's interference between the screens used.

To add complication the author tells about running demonstration farms in the middle east in the 60s and sometimes finding it was cheaper and faster to order tractors direct from England than through the local agent. That surely confused keeping parts on hand.

Gerald J.

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