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Todd Evans

02-17-2008 14:15:11




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I bought a 1954 To30 and was told by the person I bought it from to use non-detergent oil. I changed the oil and I noticed that the oil is clear in color. My question is does this oil change to a " milky gray " color before turning black? The reason I ask is I thought I had a blown head gasket and drained the oil and it has sat for over 24hrs and there is no separation of oil and water. I pulled the plugs and there was not water on the top of the pistons or anything, I thought I had a blown head gasket because of the color of the oil and anti-freeze was blowing out the over flow. How can you tell with these older machines if the water pump is going bad? Thanks for any help.

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Bruce Hopf

02-23-2008 04:02:45




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Todd Evans, 02-17-2008 14:15:11  
For years my Dad used Valvoline 30W in our Fordson Super Major until his passing away. I took over the farm and then got the tractor and used it also. I was a truck driver for years, owned my own trucks as well. In the trucks I used Shell Rotella 15W40. I quit driving truck and worked part time for a Case IH dealership. While working there, I read the brochure on Case IH oil lines. The additives that the used surpasses the other oils on the market including Valvoline, and Shell Rotella. After seeing the extencive resurch that Case IH did, I switched all my tractors over to Case IH oils. I own a Fordson Dexta, David Brown 880, 1650 Cockshutt, and a 655 Massy Ferguson swather,as well as the Fordson Super Major. I like it and have good luck with it. The addetives they have in their oils, lets you run at least 100 more hours of service longer inbetween oil changes. Hope this helps.

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Marty g.

02-21-2008 05:06:30




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Todd Evans, 02-17-2008 14:15:11  
If your oil changes to milky gray, that is a sign of water contamination. Engine oil with no water contamination will just get darker.



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Jeff-oh

02-17-2008 18:21:20




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Todd Evans, 02-17-2008 14:15:11  
Probally 10,000 opinions for you here. I use modern oils in my tractor engines. I just switched to them. Not a disaster wwaiting to happen. The gloom and doom sayers say you jun the risk of dislodging a piece of crud in the engine that will then plug the oil system some where.

After reading these posts since 2001 no one will admits they personally had a problem, and many say they made the switch with no ill affects.

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Gerald J.

02-17-2008 17:36:57




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Todd Evans, 02-17-2008 14:15:11  
It is abuse of the engine to use non detergent oil. First its short of additives to keep the engine clean, then its short of additives to keep the dissimilar metals in the bearings from corroding from moisture and sulfur in the plain oil. And my experience with non detergent engine oil used in other applications is that it turns to varnish in less than a year when exposed to the air and so gums up the machinery it was supposed to lubricate.

While you have the oil drained, you can keep water (and antifreeze unless you are in the tropics or further south in the summer) in the cooling system and see if any runs out the oil drain plug. You might find a cooling system pressure testing pump to fit the radiator cap and run the pressure up to speed up any leaks.

If the radiator is filled too much, warming the engine up will push out coolant. There's no overflow/recovery jug on the tractor so all the needed air space for expansionn has to be in the top radiator tank.

The Continental engine in the TO-30 is a wet sleeved engine and the bottom sleeve o-rings can have rotted from old age to spill coolant into the crankcase. A blown head gasket can put oil in the the water and water into the oil. The blown head gasket can be detected from compression tests. You pull all the plugs and if two adjacent cylinders have low compression, the head gasket is very suspect. You also might detect air escaping from on cylinder from having plugged the leaking cylinder with the compression gauge. Then you can do a leak down test for compression with an adapter and an air hose and easily detect that leakage in the adjacent cylinder. Thats presuming (which I believe is most common) that the head gasket is most likely to fail between cylinders than betweeen cylinder and water or oil passage.

Gerald J.

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Todd Evans

02-17-2008 18:03:29




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Gerald J., 02-17-2008 17:36:57  
Do I need to do anything special changing over to detergent oil? When I bought the tractor the guy I bought it from said the guy he bought it from said as far as he knows it never had detergent oil in it. I have been told I should add Detergent oil a little at a time until I get it " cleaned out". Any truth to this?



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Gerald J.

02-17-2008 21:19:46




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 Re: Non Detergent oil in reply to Todd Evans, 02-17-2008 18:03:29  
Might figure on changing the oil at shorter intervals as it picks up sludge. Its color will probably change rapidly from picking up sludge.

Gerald J.



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