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jonjon

02-10-2008 16:32:11




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In the post about alternator wiring can you explain why the tractor would keep running after you turn off the key if the diode was not installed. thanks. still somewhat confused.




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Bob

02-10-2008 17:34:16




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 Re: Question for Bob in reply to jonjon, 02-10-2008 16:32:11  
That would apply to a gasoline engine, or a diesel engine with an electric shutoff.

The #1 terminal on the alternator has power FED to it at startup, to power the field in the alternator, so it will begine to charge. (Excite)

Once the engine is running, and the alternator is charging, the stator in the alternator generates AC current, which is rectified by the diode trio, and fed to the field windings. This current is also available on the #1 terminal, where it can "backfeed" to the "load" side of the ignition switch, powering the ignition system, or the fuel shutoff valve, even when the operator shuts off the key switch.

Having a diode, and "idiot lamp", or a suitable resistor in that circuit eliminates this backfeeding of current, or at least limits it to a level that will not operate the ignition system or fuel valve, and the engine shuts down.

In the other thread, I posted a couple of diagrams
showing what can happen if there is a failure in the charging sircuit, and the diode, reistor, or lamp is not in the circuit. That is why it is a good idea to use the diode, the lamp, or the resistor, even IF the system is on a diesel tractor with a MECHANICAL fuel shutdown.

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jonjon

02-10-2008 17:51:51




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 Re: Question for Bob in reply to Bob, 02-10-2008 17:34:16  
My massey has a hot leg that is only powered when the switch is on so would this not eliminate the need for the diode as long as you did not hook the wire to say the coil or electric fuel shut off. If it back fed wouldn't the switch have to be bad.



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Bob

02-11-2008 14:13:51




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 Re: Question for Bob in reply to jonjon, 02-10-2008 17:51:51  
The diode, lamp, or resistor is STILL a good idea, as I stated before as it can prevent alternator damage under certain conditions.

I buy the diodes in bulk for about $.05, so using them is cheap insurance against a problem later!



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