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TO35 23C Quit and No Start

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MGP

02-04-2008 05:44:05




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Tractor quit today with little warning. Started normally and ran for at least 30 minutes. While in motion, rpms slightly increased twice, then stopped as if it were fuel starved. There is plenty of fuel, sediment bowl full (of fuel). Heated and drained fuel bowls, as I expected ice in water separator. Bled system using manual pump/prime. Noticed that the resistance on the pump lever seemed light. Emptied fuel sediment bowl and observed fill rate while pumping. The stream into the bowl was very slow. Also, the pressure in from the bottom bleed bolt on injector was weaker than usual. Engine cranks vigorously, but does not start. Suspect bad fuel lift pump, but this was replaced about two years ago with new. Anywhere else to look before shelling out a bunch of money on a fuel pump? Is there an easy way to test fuel pressure? Thanks for any help.

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Chuck (CA)

02-05-2008 18:26:03




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to MGP, 02-04-2008 05:44:05  
MGP,
I just replied to your post on that other web site and basically said I had the exact same problem. In my case it was VERY hot outside (100+) and was mowing the neighbor's pasture. It revved up and then bogged down and died. Now, to me, the revving up tells me it went lean, (low on fuel)and then died due to fuel starvation.

Momma towed me home, but when i got back on our property, still being pulled, I turned on the key and let out the clutch in 3rd gear, low range. Fired right up. The next day, same thing.

I found what I think is a fuel return line on the back top of the fuel tank that had a hole worn thru. I patched that and then removed the fuel sediment bowl. i blew it out with the air compressor and a chunk of what looked like solder came out.
Bled the enitre fuel system staring at the filters, then the injector pump and finally the injectors, using the manual lever on the pump.
Shot a little ether into the intake, (like I always do when it's cold) and it fired right up and haven't had any problems since.

Good luck and let us know what happens.

CVhuck (CA)

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MGP

02-19-2008 12:07:08




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to Chuck (CA), 02-05-2008 18:26:03  
"Little Smokey" up and running normally. Pulled sediment bowl assembly and found the brass screen in the tank to be fouled. Cleaned and replaced. Checked air filter and found it gunked up; cleaned, replaced oil, reassembled and replaced. Starts and runs like a champ.

Thanks for the help.



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MGP

02-05-2008 18:55:48




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to Chuck (CA), 02-05-2008 18:26:03  
Thanks for the insight. This was a 50 degree day and I towed it back through the woods with my daughter driving (steering) the tractor (she calls it "Little Smokey") - about a 15 minute ride. Tried restarting without a hint of a cough or sputter - just spun like crazy with some smoke puffing out of the stack as is normal.

I'll be chasing this down soon and will post results/findings.

Thanks again to all. It's a big help.

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janne

02-05-2008 01:46:30




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to MGP, 02-04-2008 05:44:05  
i think this is a diesel right?
Sounds to me you might have a clogged screen at the fuel tank outlet. Check it out first.

Are you familiar with the bleeding procedure? You will first need to get fuel pumped out injector pump"s bleeding screws. Next you need to loosen 1 or 2 injector fittings, and turn it over with a starter until fuel starts squirting out of the fitting. Then re-tighten the injector fittings and it should start.

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MGP

02-05-2008 07:50:17




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to janne, 02-05-2008 01:46:30  
The bleeding procedure in the book I have is a bit different; it's worked thus far (about 15 years or so). I'll try the method you suggested. Didn't think about the fuel tank screen (duh). That would make good sense. I'll look at that today.

Thanks for the reply.



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phil(va)

02-04-2008 14:18:38




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to MGP, 02-04-2008 05:44:05  
I am unclear on what tractor you have. Maybe others are too, and that may be why you don"t have responses. The Ferguson TO-35 does not have a fuel pump. Fuel is gravity fed on that tractor. I"m guessing that"s not what you have, but maybe you can clarify. Thanks. By the way, if it has a filter at the elbow where the fuel line goes in the carb (like the "TO" tractors do), check that.



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MGP

02-05-2008 07:58:53




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 Re: TO35 23C Quit and No Start in reply to phil(va), 02-04-2008 14:18:38  
Sorry for the lack of clarity. It's a TO35 diesel, 4 cyl Standard (23C?) engine, so no carb. The fuel "pump" is probably more correctly called a fuel lift. It's down on the crankcase, left side, very slightly above the steering arms, almost centered between the fuel filters and the injector.

Thanks for the help!



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