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750 combine question

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tntractor

01-27-2008 06:22:37




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I think that the Murphy system is at fault, causing a no-start situation. I have the owners manual, but the wiring schematic does not match up to what I have. Does anyone know how the coolant temp shut down works? I would also like to buy a parts book and service book for it. It is a gray cab model, with the turbo 354 perkins.




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Tom Dold

01-28-2008 13:29:43




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 Re: 750 combine question in reply to tntractor, 01-27-2008 06:22:37  
tntractor

There is a fuse on a "Grey" cab 750 in the fuse block below the operator controls. There are two temperature senders one for the guage and one for the murphy shut down. When the temperature rises above the hot temp threshold the sender grounds the input to the monitor and in turn the monitor grounds the output through the over ride switch to the overide relay. The relay secondarys are closed when the ignition switch is off. When the ignition switch is turned on (engine not running)current flows to the over ride relay primary side the other primary side of the the overide relay is grounded through the oil pressure sender(because there is no oil pressure), you should be able to here the relay click, which actuaaly opens the secondary contact going to the fuel solenoid. At this point there will be no current to the fuel solenoid. If you hold the over ride switch on the monitor you should be able to here the over ride relay click again (engine not running) which removes the ground from the relay causing the relay secondaries to close, know you should have current ot the solenoid. This sounds complicated, but remember the over ride relay secondaries are closed when the ignition switch is off but ther is no current to fuel solemoid because the is also no current to the secondary of the relay. The engine won"t get fuel until there is 2-3 lbs. of oil pressure, unless you hold the overide relay. There is also an oil pressure switch with two spades on it. This switch turns on the the main relay for the alternator and instruments. On the "Red" cab machines with no monitor the two spade switch actually turns on the the main relay and the fuel solenoid, I"m guessing that is what you have the manual for. I would suspect a bad over ride relay or connection. The relay is located under the panel by the main fuse block.

Tom Dold
Dold Implement
201 S. Main St.
PO Box 70
Howard, SD 57349 605-772-4541
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tntractor

01-28-2008 16:32:32




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 Re: 750 combine question in reply to Tom Dold, 01-28-2008 13:29:43  
that is just the explanation I was looking for. Thank you very much. With the lack of a circuit in series, and no need to use the override to start it up, I could not figure out how it worked. I kind of figured that the oil and temp senders were working with a relay, but had no clue how they were doing it.

Bud



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Bob

01-27-2008 13:24:21




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 Re: 750 combine question in reply to tntractor, 01-27-2008 06:22:37  
There's a fuse on the Murphy Switch, itself. Have you checked that? BTW, red cab or silver cab?



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tntractor

01-27-2008 19:43:12




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 Re: 750 combine question in reply to Bob, 01-27-2008 13:24:21  
gray cab.



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