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massey 165 pto problem

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Myles Gunia

01-10-2008 14:09:38

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while running pto under load about every 3 minutes it stops running..about 15 seconds later it comes on again at full power asthough nothing ever happened. I changed the oil (could'nt get at the filter) and found A small &/16 inch bolt, Any help would be appreciated, i'm not sure what to do next.
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Joe Ferguson

01-11-2008 09:28:47

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Myles Gunia, 01-10-2008 14:09:38

Hi Myles

I had same problem with my MF-135
The auxiliary pump filter was clogged
and the screen was collapsed in some places.

Fortunately I was able to change it by removing
hydraulic top cover. The MF dealer had a used filter in near new condition. The IPTO works perfectly since.

If my memory is good the transmission & differential case are the same for MF-135...150...165 except the 165 has different trumpet with planetary final drive David may correct me if I'm off. You "may" be able to change the filter by removing the hyd top cover only.
European tractors may have different mechanical configuration. For the main hydraulic pump filter I had to split the tractor to change it.

My 2�

Joe Ferguson

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DavidP, South Wales

01-11-2008 14:16:33

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Joe Ferguson, 01-11-2008 09:28:47

Hi Joe,
Looking at your photo there does not seem to be any reason why the filter cannot be removed without splitting the tractor. Yes I believe that the transmissions are similar except that the 135 and similar have the reduction unit at the rear of the gearbox and the 165 and similar have them at the hubs.
DavidP, South Wales

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Joe Ferguson

01-11-2008 19:11:12

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 01-11-2008 14:16:33

Hi David

I do not know why MF did not made a kind of fitting permitting to remove the IPTO releif valve just above the main hydraulic pump filter. It had permitted to remove and reinstall the filter without splitting the tractor to change the filter. To be removed the valve must turned with the nut and cannot be turned in place.

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Joe Ferguson

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Joe Ferguson

01-11-2008 10:07:29

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Joe Ferguson, 01-11-2008 09:28:47

IPTO pump filter photo
Filter is held bt 2 capscrews

Joe Ferguson

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DavidP, South Wales

01-11-2008 00:17:34

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Myles Gunia, 01-10-2008 14:09:38

Hello Myles,
I am assuming that you have an independant pto. I cannot think of any scenario that will cause this in a dual stage clutch.
You do not mention any Multi-Power problems so again I assume that your tractor does not have MP.
Initial indications suggest a blocked auxillary pump filter. The oil flow is being reduced to a point where there is insufficient oil entering the filter and so the PTO stops. Stopping the PTO allows the 'vacuum' inside the filter to dissipate only for the problem to occur next time.
That's the good news perhaps, now the bad news.
The filter is about the size of a packet of cigarettes and is situated between the IPTO clutch housing and the aux pump. To remove this filter it is necessary to remove the hudraulic cover and split the tractor between the rear of the gearbox and centre casing. Ther is not enough room to remove it with out doing this. It is a straightforward job as long as it can be done safely.
DavidP, South Wales

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Bob N.Y.

01-10-2008 16:44:25

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Myles Gunia, 01-10-2008 14:09:38

Does this tractor have "Live PTO" (2-stage clutch) or "Idependent PTO"?

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myles

01-11-2008 07:35:42

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Re: massey 165 pto problem in reply to Bob N.Y., 01-10-2008 16:44:25

I believe it is An independent pto without multi-power.

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