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and the verdict is 230

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steve turner

12-18-2007 17:10:27




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well after trying to find someway to tell what it was i hit on checking the injection pump static timing. the 245 is 16 atc and the 230 is 24 atc. and checking mine it is 24. now my question is what is any other difference in the engine? do they make the extra horsepower by bumping the rpms up with the timing difference? if so then whats to keep me from changing mine, not that i really care to do it. i"m perfectly ok with it the way it is.

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steve turner

12-20-2007 09:37:31




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
i just noticed that that the clutch pedal is the old style that pushes down. doesnt the 245 push forward?



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mowr

12-25-2007 15:17:23




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-20-2007 09:37:31  
Most 230/245 tractors I've seen have the 'push-down' clutch and brake pedals. I've seen some with 'push-forward' on one side and 'push-down' on the other. Seems to me that it was the latest ones built (don't know the serial no. break point) that had the 'push-forward' pedals on both sides.



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MF#1

12-20-2007 09:58:20




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-20-2007 09:37:31  
Yep, as previously mentioned in my earlier post. You Don"t have a 255, for sure.



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steve turner

12-20-2007 09:10:59




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
after looking it over a little closer the seat assy and wheels show traces of yellow paint but the fenders dont. and there are asset tags from the brickman group which is a commercial landscape company and there is a dealer sticker from michigan on the hood



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135 Fan

12-20-2007 23:01:32




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-20-2007 09:10:59  
It could be a 20C turf tractor. Does it have a foot throttle? or differential lock? It looks kind of beat up so maybe the fenders and hood etc. came off of a wrecked 245,235 or similar. Could explain why there's no numbers on the side of the hood too. Dave



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steve turner

12-19-2007 23:21:28




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
well, here is the serial for it 9a30I997
looks like it would be a 79 model and that would rule out 235. that leaves 230,245,255,265 available with 6 speed the grill doors are bigger on the 255 and 265 so that leaves 230 and 245. trying to find something that cant be bolted on i checked the injection timing and that says 230. Oh and the serial plate has nothing else stamped on it and it is on the left side of the tractor. And also on the other question about the horsepower. All the part numbers for replacement parts in the engine seems to be the same. I wasnt talking about turning up the pump, i was talking about changing the timing of the pump from 24 to 16 atdc to match the 245. anybody find out any more info or want to know anymore numbers of this thing let me know and i will post them. its a real head scratcher. i"m just about to split it to check the clutch and hydraulics.

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Jerry/MT

12-19-2007 09:32:46




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
Normally diesels "over fuel" to make more power. That means the peak cycle temperature (and the resulting pressures)increase. The piston crowns see a higher temperature and the cooling requiremnts increase. Inertial loads generally preclude higher revs.

If this is within the capapbility of the piston materials and cooling capability the general structural capability of the engine design, there may not be a big impact on durability. If it isn"t, don"t look for much life out of the engine if you "turn up the pump".

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chuck bergstrom

12-19-2007 05:30:43




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
One fact is,and someone had mentioned,that the
230 was not sold with flat top fenders. Someone
could have added, but? Someone mentioned 235 and
if it is, it would be an orchard because that is
the only 235 that would match the steering arm.



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135 Fan

12-19-2007 10:08:50




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to chuck bergstrom, 12-19-2007 05:30:43  
I know the 235 had a lot of steering problems but couldn't remember if it was a different set up or not. The tractor of the picture also has a suspension seat in addition to the flat top fenders, which wasn't offered for the 230. I know flat top fenders were available for 235's because I had a neighbor put them on his and gave me the brand new dished fenders, he took off. Sadly they got wrecked when my other neighbor came over and cleared the driveway. The fenders were laying on the grass beside the driveway but got drove over when the snow got pushed off. We had a freak dump of snow and the fenders got buried. The neighbor used a 32,000 lb. JD 755 track loader to push the snow off. Needless to say, the fenders were toast. I was really pi--ed but couldn't really say much. Dave

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135 Fan

12-18-2007 21:52:49




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
Somebody put stuff on it that wasn't normally available. Did you rule out a 235? I think the 230's have different pistons than 245's. I remember asking a dealer that a long time ago. He said all you have to do, for more power, is put 135 pistons in. I'm not positive but remember something like that. Could it be a detuned 245? There's still some odd questions about that tractor. Too bad you didn't have a dyno handy. Maybe the engine serial number could give some more info? Dave

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TomTex

12-18-2007 19:23:55




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
Steve, I have been following all this and would like to ask a favor. Can you please post back with all info on the tractor ID plate, including complete serial number. I am very curious what this data will show. Tom



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steve turner

12-18-2007 21:12:58




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to TomTex, 12-18-2007 19:23:55  
ok, but the only info on it is the serial number and the only thing i find that tells you is the year unless you know something i dont. i wont have the number till tomorrow morn.



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MF#1

12-18-2007 17:45:52




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 Re: and the verdict is 230 in reply to steve turner, 12-18-2007 17:10:27  
Wellll, that"ll teach ya to get advice here ;-) According to TractorTips the 245 has 42.9 HP and the 230 has 34.5 HP at the PTO. Soooo, what little I remember about the 230 was that it was a "base" model, not sure what that really means, maybe the clutch is smaller, hydraulic pump smaller, etc. Personally, I stay away from changing what the factory says, but it has probably been done before. Pretty ingenious way to find out the difference! If your 230 is anything like the our 245"s you"ll really like it, they"re a tough tractor. Good luck with it!

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