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Your favourite Massey development since 1958?

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RevMilo

11-21-2007 03:31:36

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Hi,
I am compiling a list of MF product developments in both engineering and service since 1958.
What are your recommended landmarks or flops that have happened over the last 50 years of MF?
be as personal or broad ranging as you dare!
Thanks
Milo

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MFguy

11-26-2007 14:19:45

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

MF Poor, I realized after I posted my original message that I goofed it up. You are correct that the "Ferguson system" was a huge success. I am having a brain fart as to what the system was called that massey tried to market. I was thinking that was the name it was given, but it is not. I can recall the diagrams from the literature that would show a disk, and instead of the normal tongue, it had a long shaft, maybe even pointed to a cone. On the tractor, the receptacle was coned, to accept the implements shaft. If anyone can think of the proper name for this system, please reply. As a kid growing up in the 70's, I kept all the massey literature we ever got. Like a dummy, when I reached adulthood, I threw it all away. What was I thinking!

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MFguy

11-24-2007 04:33:13

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

since you asked for development flops too, I would have to say the "ferguson system" never took off like Mr. Ferguson would have liked. I only ever saw literature about it, and never seen an actual real life tractor that had it. The implements were designed to attach to the tractor with like a shaft sliding into a hollow sleeve. I never fully understood the concept and the advantages it was suppose to offer. I think it was about the ability to vary the tractors wheel traction by using the leverage from the implement. Since the only implements a farmer could use with this were MF, it never lasted. Farmers like to use different brands of equipment and this idea tied you down to only MF equipment.

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MF Poor

11-26-2007 04:41:32

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to MFguy, 11-24-2007 04:33:13

What you"re describing sounds like the PRESSURE CONTROL and NOT "The Ferguson System". Pressure control wasn"t the brain child of Harry Ferguson but a later developement after Harry "retired". Pressure Control came and went during the production years of the 100 series. The Ferguson System was (and still IS) essentially the 3-point hitch and top link sensing draft control that was by all accounts, a raging success. The Ferguson System was what made the 9N/2N Ford a success. It was the basis of the little grey Ferguson"s that started Harry"s company off. Top link sensing draft control is still used today. If it wasn"t a sucess, seeing as to it"s 75+ years of use since patent rights were issued, I"d like to know what you would consider a success?

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CH(upstate, ny)

11-21-2007 11:10:43

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

Dual clutch, I think that was after '54. Nothing like keeping the PTO and hydraulics running when the tractor ain't moving.

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Aaron Ford

11-21-2007 08:08:15

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

Well, I am in above my head here, but I would have to say the PAVT which was likely not exclusively Massey, but there ya go. The use of the Perkins diesel was a brainstroke unparralleled. What made Massey's so spectacular was their stone reliability. Second to this was the simplicity ( have you ever been in a Case gearbox?, IH Hydraulics?). It could be wrenched on by anyone with a 11/16 in wrench in one pocket and a 1 1/16 in the other. They would handle oversized implements, stick to a hillside, and still cost less than most competitors. The biggest question was the dropping of the LTX. Today, it is the availability of parts that put them over the others. I have a MF65, my friend, a Case 711-B. I can buy parts anywhere. We have to wait till his are delivered from Wisconsin.

And not to be outdone by that beautiful collection of pixels from MFPoor, here is my darlin'.

Just my $0.02. Borrowed at 15% interest...

Aaron

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Mr. Bob

11-21-2007 10:13:35

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to Aaron Ford, 11-21-2007 08:08:15

Stick a pair of Rowe 240# wheel weights on rear wheels and a bumper on the fromt and this is the exact tractor that was sold at my dad's farm sale. This was and is my favorite of any tractor that I've ever operated. It broke my heart to see it go, but my finiancial situation was such at the time I had no choice. I'm glad that you have this FINE machine to enjoy. Mr. Bob

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Aaron Ford

11-23-2007 08:25:10

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to Mr. Bob, 11-21-2007 10:13:35

This one came with a set of Massey wheel weights. I have not painted them yet so I did not install them. The bumper is in the works as the grilles cost 137 bucks a piece for replacements. The first thing on my list, however, is a nice set of roll-over bars. The fresh rebuild with pop-up pistons and a tight clutch has more than enough giddy-up to flip us over... Purrs like a kitten.

Aaron

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Mr. Bob

11-23-2007 17:33:05

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to Aaron Ford, 11-23-2007 08:25:10

You're on the right track. Load them tires and put on the wheel weights and you've got a real brute that handles and performs like a charm. Mr. Bob

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DavidP, South Wales

11-21-2007 06:54:37

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

Hello,
As a general comment I can only echo everyone else's comments on reliability, simplicity of use, ease of maintenance and current values. From an engineering aspect everything certainly in the 100 Series was tried and tested and as we can witness today 40 odd years on for many they are still going strong. There are two local 135's that have been round the clock and still going well with a minimum of maintenance over the years.
My own 1965 135 diesel has a long way to go. In terms of developments things like Pressure Control, Multi-Power, Power Steering and style spring to mind. Not much specifically MF maybe but great steps forward at the time.
As a personnal comment it gives me a great deal of pleasure to look back over my ongoing 35 year 'love affair' with Massey Ferguson and having the opportunity through the 'YT' forum to pass on information and help to our YT friends around the world when possible.
DavidP, South Wales

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RevMilo

11-21-2007 08:14:10

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 11-21-2007 06:54:37

Brilliant! Thanks DavidP

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Badly Bent

11-21-2007 05:26:58

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

I couldn't agree more on the 135. I've got one and it does everything I ask of it and would do a whole lot more. My uncle had a 50 that he bought new in 1963/64 and it was also a great tractor. At that point the Mult-Power option on the 50 was awesome because it was so simple to use and worked so well. I'd like to have one of those 50's myself.

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MF Poor

11-21-2007 05:39:44

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to Badly Bent, 11-21-2007 05:26:58

Here's my "100 series". 1971 MF150 diesel/8-speed. The 150 is everything that's good about a 135 with a bit more "heft". Wouldn't trade it for 10 new tractors.

I've got a Ferguson F-40 and a Massey Ferguson 50 out behind the shed that will SOMEDAY be back in as good of condition as the 150. Both are "family tractors".

All it takes is the slightest mention of 100 series, or the F-40/MF50/MF150's and I'll toss up a picture of this one!

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RevMilo

11-21-2007 05:53:13

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to MF Poor, 11-21-2007 05:39:44

You have done a great job on that MF Poor - it looks like you are really MF rich!!

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MF Poor

11-21-2007 05:09:05

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 03:31:36

Without a doubt, my favorite "developement" was the entire 100 series line of tractors. They were simple and easy to maintain, yet modern enough that they still fit in with todays world. In particular, the smaller models (excluding the 130) were some of the best tractors ever. The 135 is a ledgend. What made them so good, IMHO, is that they WEREN'T earth shattering, ultra-modern high tech developements, but refined versions of a basic, fundmental, economic, and functional design that Harry Ferguson had envisioned when he started building his own line of tractors.

The world of tractors needs another 135 today!

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Dean

11-21-2007 09:51:14

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to MF Poor, 11-21-2007 05:09:05

MF:

I looked for over a year for a good 135 for my small worker. Because I'm particular and no longer have time to work on my users, I finally gave up and bought a new 533, which is about as close as you can get to a 135 these days.

I find it to be quite a bit of tractor for the money and just about everything that I expected.

Dean

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135 Fan

11-21-2007 10:48:24

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to Dean, 11-21-2007 09:51:14

In addition to what has been said, I would say that the advanced Ferguson system that was on the 100 series tractors is the best built and most useful 3 Pt. hitch system ever made. All the thought that went into the 100 series was used the right way. To make a simple tractor that worked instead of over designing and making a pos. The basic design of the 100 series and even earlier is still the reason why MF has been the best selling tractor in the world since 1962 I believe. It is the best selling by about 25% over the second best selling. The original 35 is the most copied tractor in the world. Later versions like the 135 are even better. Dave

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RevMilo

11-21-2007 05:19:39

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to MF Poor, 11-21-2007 05:09:05

That's great!
Thanks MF Poor
Your comments are noted
Dont be afraid to add anymore if you think of any

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W R

11-21-2007 13:10:17

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to RevMilo, 11-21-2007 05:19:39

I agree with CH(upstateny) regarding the dual
clutch, this and hydraulics were two great additions.
The MF 585 header(combine)PTO&SP were also
excellent machines built by Massey Ferguson.

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jogl

11-22-2007 16:02:30

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Re: Your favourite Massey development since 1958? in reply to W R, 11-21-2007 13:10:17

I agree with what they all said above about the 100 series. I grew up on a 175 that my Dad bought new in 1967 (I think).

Still use it almost every day at 7200 hrs (but its getting an engine rebuild and new clutches this winter).

It is the best machine we have ever owned.

JP.

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