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MF 65 PTO Pump

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Jeff Ziegler

11-13-2007 05:02:23




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I got a MF 65 at auction with a new Great Bend loader. The rear remote according to the book flow 4.76 GPM. Great Bend recommends 11 GPM and have seen 17 GPM to get good results on the internet. So I am looking at a PTO pump to fix the problem. Is there any way to tap into the transmission fluid? I should be able to return to fluid using the current remote. Should I tap into one of the drain plugs? Drill a hole and tap it? Any other ideas?

Also I am looking for a 3pt backhoe so I need a high GPM flow.

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chazman

11-20-2007 21:14:06




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 05:02:23  
I added a pto pump to my 1080.i taped the drain plug for 1/2 pipe, put a close nipple with a tee,put a plug on one end on the other end i put a 1/2 ball valve a filterthen ran the line to the pump. the purpose of the ball valve is so i can close it to change the filter. i removed the handle so that it doesn't get shut-off by accident.



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Danthemasseyman

11-15-2007 18:18:54




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 05:02:23  
I have a Super 90 that I put a PTO driven pump on. If you don't need the PTO shaft for anything else, it works great. Prince makes a good cast iron pump that is rated at 21gpm. Price was around $600.00. You will need to mount an oil tank on the rear that you can use to feed the pump, and put a two or three spool open center valve somewhere to control the loader functions. Make sure you put a filter that is capable of handling 21gpm somewhere in the system too. I also have a 65 tractor and on that one I mounted a front mount gear pump on the front just below the rad. It is driven by the crankshaft. There is room the do this, as there is a hole there for the shaft to go thru. I mounted the oil tank just in front of the grills, it was about 5 inches thick, 1 1/2 ' tall and 14-16" wide. I did find this pump to be a bit slow for the loader though, the PTO pump on the Super 90 is far superior as far as speed is concerned, but you could mount a larger pump on the front to compensate for this. Hope this helps you out.

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John Wood

11-13-2007 06:52:39




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 05:02:23  
Have you thought of installing an auxiliary pump running off of the front of the engine. I have that arrangement on my tractor and it work well. I also have a set of rear remotes that could be used to run a B/H with. Just a thought, but which ever wzy you go I expect it will be spendy $.

Good luck with your choice

John



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Jeff Ziegler

11-13-2007 11:08:00




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to John Wood, 11-13-2007 06:52:39  
Have you installed front pump on a 65? How did you get around the PS?



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Eric in IL

11-13-2007 18:42:37




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 11:08:00  
Jeff,

I have previuosly read on this forum that the 65's steering arm does not give sufficient clearance for the drive shaft on a front pump system. I believe the post said at one time a special steering arm was available from Massey but has since been discontinued. I'm not saying you can't make a front setup work. It may however be wise to look and see if it appears that there would be any interference with the arm while having someone else turn the steering wheel in both directions. Good luck.

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John Wood

11-13-2007 17:20:13




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 11:08:00  
The system already had the front end loader on the tractor when I bought it a couple of years ago.

A driving plate bolts on the front of the cranshaft pulley (3 bolts in my case), which drives a shaft that goes through the front of the tractor, to a mounting plate bolted to the front of the housing. This shaft goes below the power steering cylinder arrangement. If you look in the space where the steering crank is, you will see a couple of holes in the casting - one each, front and back. This is where the shaft goes through.

The beauty of the front pump is that you get to choos what size pump you want to use orcan afford. It is just a bolt on pump, nothing special. In my case, the FEL frame acts as an oil resevoir and the pump takes the oil via a filter - reurning to the resevoir on exiting the cylinders.

The setup works fine for my needs. There are others on this site that have similar setups - perhaps they coud comment on it.

HTH and hasn't confused you at all

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Our FArmer

11-13-2007 05:39:06




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 Re: MF 65 PTO Pump in reply to Jeff Ziegler, 11-13-2007 05:02:23  
Do a forum search on "MF 65 Hydraulics". Tons of good stuff.



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