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mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks.

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olderthanmytractor

11-10-2007 05:07:59




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I've changed plugs,points and condenser.What should the points be set at?If I replace the coil does it need one with a built in resistor?How difficult for a non mechanic to change to electronic ignition?Any suggestions on what to try next?I've got a new "universal" coil w/o resistor don't want to try it till I'm sure I won't "FRY" things.




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garvas

11-11-2007 04:27:56




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 Re: mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks. in reply to olderthanmytractor, 11-10-2007 05:07:59  
Assuming your 50 is gas I just had the same problem. Enigne would turn over but would not fire up. Pull the plug on the bottom of the carb. Mine the float had stuck so no gas. Tried everything to get it unstuck. Finally pulled it and cleaned the inside up. Unstuck the float, put it back on. Started right up.



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Jerry/MT

11-10-2007 10:09:11




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 Re: mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks. in reply to olderthanmytractor, 11-10-2007 05:07:59  
Try to find out what the root cause of your problem is before you relace anything. In 85% of the "no starts", the problem is in the primary ignition circuit and 10% of the time it"s caused by inadequate fuel delivery.

Turn on the ignition, pull the center wire out of the didtributor cao and hold it near a good ground. Try a start. You should see a FAT, BLUISH WHITE SPARK FROM THE COIL OUTPUT LEAD. If you don"t you most likely have a problem with the primary ignition circuit. The points may be corroded, burned, or not set correctly, the wire from the battery through the key switch to the coil and then to the distributor may be shorted or a connection loose or corroded. The key switch itself could be bad. Pace a jumper from the battery to the coil terminal coming from the key switch and see if you get a spark. If you do, then the circuit from the battery through the key switch to the coil is your problem. You didn"t say what voltage your electrical system was. Usually a coil with an external resistor is used on a 6V system converted to 12V though some new, so called "12 V coils" require a resistor on a 12 V system. In my opinion, the correct 12V coil is the NAPA IC-14SB(~$15)and it has the correct resistance built in.

If you do have the requisite, FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK then check to make sure that you have adequate fuel flow to the carb. I believe you have a Marvel Schebler carb and ther will be a plug at the bottom of it. Open the fuel valve at the tank and then remove the plug on the bottom of the carb, holding a container under it to catch the $3+/gallon fuel. The fuel should gush out like a cow peein" on a flat rock. If it doesn"t then there is an obstruction in the fuel livery system or within the float valve on the carb. Check the "secret filter" in the carb inlet elbow, and the filter in thesediment bowl/tank valve assembly. Make sure the fuel line is not kinked.
If these systems check out, then you may have a timing problem. get back to the forum and we"ll walk you through that check.

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El Toro

11-10-2007 07:01:17




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 Re: mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks. in reply to olderthanmytractor, 11-10-2007 05:07:59  
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I would clean the new points with a cotton swab dipped in alcohol. I would set the points at .020". You need to check for battery voltage at your coil as outlined with the enclosed instructions. Hal



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olderthanmytractor

11-10-2007 14:25:52




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 Re: mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks. in reply to El Toro, 11-10-2007 07:01:17  
I forgot to mention it's a 1968 model,12 volt system.was a 68 model 12 volt from the factory or has it been upgraded from a 6 volt system?We've only owned it for about 5 years.I had noticed in the past when it would still run,that sometimes gasoline would drip from the carb.A steady strong drip at times (not while the engine was actually running).Overall it's in decent shape for 39 yrs. old but I think most everything on it is original equipment.It also would tend to backfire.

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El Toro

11-10-2007 15:34:35




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 Re: mf-50 tractor won't even try to start,just cranks. in reply to olderthanmytractor, 11-10-2007 14:25:52  
You may need to to put a rebuild kit in that carburetor. The float seat may not be shutting off the fuel. I would shake that float to make sure it's not full of gas and check the float setting to make sure its not too high. Are you getting any battery voltage to the coil? Hal



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