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CoachT oad

09-22-2007 19:57:37

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Massey 35 diesel, first year they made, 52 or 53? Like a dummy, I let it run out of fuel. Did not try to re-start right away. Immediately went for fuel and filled it up. Tried to restart, no luck. Tried several times, no luck. Glass bowl remained full, tried again, no luck. Check petcock and it was SHUT. Opened up and still no luck. What do I need to do to get this sucker started again. It is in mint condition and I just brought it home. HELP...please.

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Frema

10-27-2007 02:11:54

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

Seems as if nobody mentioned that the primer pump will not work if the membrane is in pressed position and handle works easy - crank a good half turn or so and the camshaft rotates a good quarter and hence allow the handle on primer pump to work full lenght.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

09-24-2007 14:46:01

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

When I did this I discovered that starters run on smoke. At least they don't run after you let the smoke out.

A passing tractor gave me a tow and got the Perkins started after all of the bleeding and starter-killing.

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Jerry/MT

09-23-2007 14:50:34

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

This inevitatably happens to us all at least once! You have to make sure the battery is fully charged and then crack open the furl supply fitting at the injector. Crank the engine til you have fuel at the injector connection. Tighten it back down and repeat on the remaining injectors. Usually it will fire when you get the last one done and begin running.

Then you promise yourself you won't do this again!

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Don_G

09-23-2007 06:05:33

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

Below is section from my manual. I hope this helps get you going. First thing you should do is get a manual.

In order for-your tractor fuel system to function properly it is of utmost importance that (1) the fuel be kept clean and (2) there be no air in the system. The importance of clean fuel has been described fully in the fuel filter section of the manual. Air in the system can cause erratic action and possibly prevent starting of the engine. If the fuel tank has been permitted to run "dry", the tractor not used for a lengthy period of time, the sediment bowl removed to be cleaned, the filters drained or any vent plug in the system opened it will necessitate air bleeding the system. To bleed the system, proceed as follows: 1. Open the fuel shut-off valve. 2. Loosen the air vent on the first stage filter.
3. Pump manual lever on the primary fuel pump until air free fuel comes out of the filter vent. Tighten the vent plug securely. NOTE: The primary fuel pump will not work properly unless the lever is reciprocated up and down fully. 4. Loosen the vent on the second stage filter and operate the primary pump manual lever until air free fuel comes out of the filter. Tighten the vent plug. 5. Loosen the lower vent plug on the injection pump body and operate the primary pump manual lever until air free fuel flows out of the port. Tighten the vent plug. 6. Loosen the upper vent plug on the injection pump body and operate the primary pump manual lever until air free fuel flows from the port. Tighten the vent plug. 7. Operate the primary pump manual lever 10 additional times to insure that there is fuel in the Manually Operating Primary Fuel Pump bleed back lines to the second stage filter. 8. Loosen two pressure lines to injector connections. Turn the engine over with the starting motor until fuel escapes from the pressure line ends. Tighten the two connections. 9. Turn the engine over with the starter until the engine starts. If the engine fails to start immediately do not hesitate to hold the starter-switch key in the "S" or start position up to 30 seconds. NOTE: Do not operate the starter con- tinuously for more than 30 seconds without allowing a few minutes for cooling. Failure to do this uiill cause overheating and pre- mature failure of the starting motor.

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mf40-me

09-23-2007 06:01:06

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

If your fuel filter remained full, then go to the injection pump. Just forward of the injector connections on the pump you will find two set screws, one lower and one higher, nearly in line (this is what i have anyhow, on my mf40 but it has the ad3-152 diesel) first loosen the lower one, the use the manual lever on your lift pump till you get air free fuel, tighten the lower one and loosen the upper one and do the same. Then move on to the injectors, loosen them one at a time and use the starter to crank the engine till you get fuel leaking out of every pressure connection, it might sound like it wants to catch when you are cranking at this point, just my personal feeling but i would try not to let it start till i had all the injector bled. Seems like i wouldn't want it to fire on 2 cylinders on purpose, my own thoughts though.

Anyhow, good luck. Of course if we don't have the same injection pump, i just wasted your time and mine!

john

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Big Dean

09-23-2007 05:55:44

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

You need to bleed the air from the fuel system the link here is for a picture with instructions in how to bleed the fuel system. If you need more help email me

Bleeding

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Hymie

09-22-2007 21:09:30

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to CoachT oad, 09-22-2007 19:57:37

Bleed the injectors

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suptscottyb

09-23-2007 12:51:48

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Re: Let it run out of fuel in reply to Hymie, 09-22-2007 21:09:30

Yep, you will probably have to bleed atleast one of the injectors as even after bleeding the pump when this happened to me, mine wouldn't start until I cracked one of the injectors. Good luck and don't do that again!

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