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135 won't start

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Thomas Cook

09-10-2007 13:38:09




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I just rewired my 135 deisel, because it would not start. I figured it was a bad wire somewhere, and the wires were a mess. it has a 3 terminal alternator, but it also has a regulator. When i turn the key, the ammeter shows 12 volts, then when i let go of the key it drops to 0 and the motor did not turn over.The tractor starts fine if i jump the solonoid but the battery does not charge while the motor is running. Any suggestions?

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Thomas Cook

09-12-2007 06:03:19




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 Re: 135 won't start in reply to Thomas Cook, 09-10-2007 13:38:09  
I jumped the voltmeter in the line and the tractor started with the key. Thanks.



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Jerry/MT

09-11-2007 10:43:08




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 Re: 135 won't start in reply to Thomas Cook, 09-10-2007 13:38:09  
First, make sure that the battery connections are clean and the battery is fully charged. If they are and it is then proceed as follows.

If you turn on the key and the starter doesn't turn but it does whenn you jump it from the battery, there is a problem in the circuit to the solenoid or the solenoid contacts are so badly burned or fouled they won't conduct electricity. Get a volt meter and make sure that when you turn the key to the start position you have battery voltage to the small wire on the solenoid. If you do and you don't hear the solenoid click, the solenoid is bad. If it clicks then the contact is bad and the solenoid needs replacing or if it's a repairable one, it neds new contacts.
If you don't have battery voltage to the solenoid, then a netral safety switch or a broken wire or bad key switch could be the problem.

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Gerald J.

09-11-2007 08:21:06




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 Re: 135 won't start in reply to Thomas Cook, 09-10-2007 13:38:09  
If it has a volt meter wired where the ammeter used to be, it won't start because the volt meter won't pass enough current to pull in the starter solenoid.

The starter circuit is simple, just the battery, the starter solenoid, the starter, the starter switch, and the transmission interlock switch plus a few wires. Any part in there can be bad from wires to starter. And connection can be corroded and prevent starting. The transmission hi/lo side has to be in neutral and the wires to that switch as well as that switch up on top the transmission have to be in good shape.

There is no magic way to trace broken circuits from afar, there is a need for all parts of a circuit to be good for the circuit to work. And its a fundamental law of electric circuits that the current has to flow in all parts to flow in any. So all you can do is start with a test light or volt meter and follow the voltage from the battery positive terminal tracing the circuit to the starter solenoid and see where you have voltage and where you don't. I prefer a 50 watt 12 volt lamp for this test rather than a voltmeter. It takes so little current to run a voltmeter that a crappy corroded connection can show full voltage, but the connection won't supply a load. That 12 volt 50 watt lamp (Wallyworld RV section) draws 4 amps and tests bad connections much more thoroughly.

And connections in the ground side are absolutely just as critical to the circuit working as connections on the hot side.

Gerald J.

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135 Fan

09-10-2007 21:29:06




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 Re: 135 won't start in reply to Thomas Cook, 09-10-2007 13:38:09  
Do you mean won't turn over? As far as starting, a diesel 135 is all mechanical so if it turns over and won't start it is nothing to do with anything electrical unless it has an electric solonoid to turn off the injection pump, which I don't think any of them had. Dave



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Thomas Cook

09-11-2007 03:58:10




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 Re: 135 won't start in reply to 135 Fan, 09-10-2007 21:29:06  
Yes it won't turn over.



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