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MF35 Ignition Firing .......????

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KRS_MED

09-01-2007 06:12:12




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Have a MF35 Gas tractor yesterday I finally got to the point of the restoration to crank it and make all the adjustments that may be need. The tractor crancked up and was running rough. Adjusted the carb. some and then had to leave. Came to it a few hours latter and now the tractor will not fire. I checked for proper wiring, wires to the coil, took dist. cap off and points are opening and closing as they should and set to 22 th. But I would only see a spark at the points every now and then. So I checked the gap, wiring again, also wiring from coil to dist. I have the negative wire to the dist and the positive to the ignition switch. The DMM was sowing 12V at the pos side of the coil and all the wires for the igniton checked good. I pulled the dist (marking all to beable to put back as it was) and the gear is in great shape. Not sure what the problem can be. Cab anyone give me any help?
Thanks Very Much!!!
Keith

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El Toro

09-02-2007 10:18:14




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to KRS_MED, 09-01-2007 06:12:12  
I would clean those points with a piece of 320 wet or dry and then take a cotton swab dipped in alcohol and clean them again. I think the point setting is .020". If it still won't start I would change the condenser. Are you using a ballast resistor between the coil and ignition switch? Hal



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KRS_MED

09-02-2007 13:03:51




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to El Toro, 09-02-2007 10:18:14  
Toro I changed the coil to a 12 volt coil. My understanding is there is not a need for it with the 12V coil. Is that correct?
Keith



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Jerry/MT

09-02-2007 15:29:46




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to KRS_MED, 09-02-2007 13:03:51  
make sure that you have a true 12 V coil not one that has "Use with resistor" in fine printon the side. A NAPA IC-14-SB coil(~$15) is a good example of a true 12 V coil.



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El Toro

09-02-2007 13:19:46




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to KRS_MED, 09-02-2007 13:03:51  
I think they are still being used to prevent arcing at the points. You still have 12 volts going to the starter when cranking the engine and once the engine starts the ignition voltage is lowered. Hal



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Jerry/MT

09-01-2007 10:12:14




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to KRS_MED, 09-01-2007 06:12:12  
Make sure that the wire from the distributor to the coil is connected to the coil terminal with the same sign as the battery ground. Make sure tht the timing is correct. Check the wear on the distributor bushing by closing the points, pushing on the shaft from the side while watching the points. There should be less then 0.002 inches of movement of the shaft and virtually none at the points. Are your points clean and not oily or corroded? Is the firing order correct? Do you have the correct coil?

The best way to check for a good spark is to remove the center wire from the distributor, hold it near a good ground, turn on the ignition and try a start. You should see a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, and you'll hear an audible snap. If it weak yellowish or reddish then you have a problem in the primary circuit somewhere so check the wiring and make sure all connections are "bright and tight".
IF all these things check out and you get the requiste FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK AT THE RIGHT TIME, then check the fuel delivery by opening the tank valve and removing the plug from the bottom of the carb(If you have one;if not use the fuel supply line to the carb.) and holding a suitable container under it observe the fuel flow. You should have a steady, continuous stream that fills the tube. Intermittent flow or just a dribble means the fuel supply is restricted. If that's good then perhaps the fuel bowl is full of crud or the float is out of adjustment. You coud have a badly adjusedt carb or an air leak around the carb metering section.

Concentrate for now and the ignition system beacause 85% of the poor running or refusal to start problems originate there. Get to where you have the requisite FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK and if you continue to have rough running, get back here ans we'll help you go through the fuel system.

Hope this helps you.

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KRS_MED

09-01-2007 13:05:57




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 Re: MF35 Ignition Firing .......???? in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-01-2007 10:12:14  
Thanks Jerry i may get a little time to work on the problem today. But I really do thank you for the info. Get back with you when I do know more. The Dist. does not any movment from side to side I had checked that early.
Keith



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