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Need advice on a MF135

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Jim.UT

04-25-2007 13:38:56




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I've been entrusted by a friend to find him a tractor for mowing his 5 - 10 acres. He wants live pto.

I've found a 135 and I wanted to know what I should look for as potential problem areas on this machine.

This one has a 4 cylinder Continental gas engine and 8 speed transmission. Asking price is $4000.

Another friend just bought a 135 with 12 speed trans for $2400 and feels real fortunate to have found it for that price.

Tell me:
1. what problems should I look for that are specific to this machine

2. What is a fair price range for a good working machine that may need paint.

Thanks!

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cowkidmike317

04-29-2007 22:41:34




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
Those six speeds are pretty good. Had a 135 diesel with six speed. the 12 speed or multipower are ok, but if it goes out . Look out for a big repair bill, because a lot of parts are dealer omly and expensive. the six speeds and 8 speeds are the best. Just remember keep it simple ===== .



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Jim.UT

04-25-2007 19:53:28




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
I went to see it. It seems like a good tractor, but not what I expected.

First, there is no tach....none. Not even an opening in the dash for a tach. Just ammeter and oil pressure.

Second, the pto is not live. I had read that all 135's had live pto.

Third, The transmission is a 6 speed (three x two) so whoever said the Continental was never matched to an 8 speed knows what he's talking about.

Fourth, I didn't like the action of the clutch. I could not shift from one gear to another unless I dropped the engine speed to idle. Same with the pto. Need adjustment maybe? Or just worn out? I posted a photo of the clutch linkage below.

On the plus side, the seller has not shot a load of paint on it to try to hide anything. The valve cover gasket seeps a little oil, but there are no leaks anywhere else.

The serial number is SGF-641019615 making it a 1964. So now my questions are:

1. Did the early 135's not have live pto?
2. Or is it the tractors with the 3x2 tranny that do not have live pto?
3. Why no tach? Is that a feature of the early models?

Here are some photos I took.

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Gerald J.

04-26-2007 06:18:09




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 19:53:28  
Its a special, like others say with a Z134 engine. I see a light wire dangling out the left side to get snagged on tall weeds. I see an overly long coil to distributor wire ready for the same. I see a long fuel pipe on the right side ready to be snagged. I see it does not have power steering.

It is possible add an electronic tachometer and without the mechanical tach, its easier to convert the generator to an alternator (because the tach on the Continental is driven from a gear box on the back of the generator).

Those truck tires won't turn in dirt or on wet grass, they will just slide sideways.

Looking at my '68 owner's manual, the special doesn't have light for the gauges (that hasn't worked on mine for 20 years), doesn't have live pto or hydraulics, doesn't have the dual clutch, doesn't have the option for a differential lock, doesn't have a cushion seat, doesn't have power steering, has only the two gauges, has the smaller engine (shorter stroke, smaller bore), has the 6 speed transmissionas the only option and cost less to buy.

Gerald J.

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Jim.UT

04-26-2007 08:25:28




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 Thanks to everyone! in reply to Gerald J., 04-26-2007 06:18:09  
Yes, the engine was a Z134. I looked up the s/n prefix of SGF and confirmed that it has only a single clutch.

Thanks for the insight and extra knowledge. Now I know how to ID a special. I will continue to look for a 135 with more bells & whistles.

I'm still cursing monomechanical for snagging that multipower 135 for only $2400. He lives not far from my office. I'll probably go see his tractor today at lunch time.

Maybe I'll offer him $3000!

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monomechanical

04-26-2007 19:52:45




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 Re: Thanks to everyone! in reply to Jim.UT, 04-26-2007 08:25:28  
Remember, to get such a great deal I had to give up my left . . . kidney.

MONO



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Jim.UT

04-26-2007 20:31:24




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 Re: Thanks to everyone! in reply to monomechanical, 04-26-2007 19:52:45  
I couldn't get there today. Will you be around Friday? Do you have the 135 home yet?



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monomechanical

04-27-2007 06:29:58




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 Re: Thanks to everyone! in reply to Jim.UT, 04-26-2007 20:31:24  
Hi Jim:

Will bring it home around noon???? Or . . . we can meet at my place and go look at it: only a couple of miles away. I know where there are a few others, on the way. (Not for sale . . . . or are they???)

Mono



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Don-Wi

04-25-2007 23:32:26




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 19:53:28  
Are you sure it wasn't a 2 stage clutch? With out a tach, makes me think it was the economy model, which means no whistles & bells, such as no tach and possibly the non-live (2 stage clutch) PTO.

Could be that the clutch needs adjustment to get it to go into gear better, or the clutch could be getting down there. The best way to check is remove the inspection plate underneath and take a look up in there with a flashlite.

Otherwise I'd say it looks pretty clean and in pretty decent shape. Even with those fronts being old truck tires, they really don't look too bad compared to what I have seen on some tractors...


Donovan from Wisconsin

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Gerald J.

04-25-2007 16:35:41




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
I recall that I paid about $3950 for my MF-135 gas with continental engine in 1988. It came with a two bottom plow and a loader.

The major problem I've had was the rocker arms wore badly from lack of oil to the head. I also had to rebuild the power steering cylinder when the piston rod broke.

Other things have been minor. It works for me when I want it to work and sits peacefully otherwise.

Gerald J.

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Bob N.Y.

04-25-2007 15:13:44




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
Something doesn't seem quite right to me. The early 135s were available with the Continental engine and 6 speed transmission with or without Multi-Power. The 8 speed transmission was available in the very late 135s. I don't think the Continental and the 8 speed were ever sold together.



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135 Fan

04-25-2007 15:11:52




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
The price is in the ball park if everything is working properly. Your friend got a good deal. 135's are the most sought after smaller tractor for good reason. The Perkins diesel is the best but the Continental is still a good engine. Dave



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Finn Md

04-25-2007 14:24:53




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 Re: Need advice on a MF135 in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
Big Dean has previously summarized what to look for in older MF tractors. Go to his website. I've had a 135 Diesel for many years, and it's a workhorse. I'd strongly recommend the 3-cylinder Perkins diesel version over a gasser. Better fuel efficiency, more reliable, and more power. Check for oil leaks at cotter pin undeneath on belly (if pin missing stay away). Run engine and check hydraulic responses, preferably with an implement hooked up to it. The brakes are shoe-types and can be very expensive or a pain in the #%+@ to fix, so drive it and check braking on each wheel by releasing the pin that binds both brake pedals together and see if each brake works OK. Engage PTO and it should stop spinning when PTO put in neutral. Check usual stuff like gauges, oil pressure, hours, condition of engine oil and hydrualic oil, blowing exhaust smoke, etc.. A working tach is a must.

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Jim.UT

04-25-2007 13:41:16




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 Here's a photo in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:38:56  
I haven't gone to look at it yet, but here's the photo I'm working from until I do.

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Now what do you think?



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DavidP, South Wales

04-26-2007 01:39:54




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 Re: Here's a photo in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:41:16  
Hello,
The tractor looks tidy enough but looking at it from this side of the pond it does look very much like an economy version. As you say no main clocks and not even a de-luxe seat!!!!
$4000- �2000 pounds for us I think is too much especially if if has only got a single clutch. That would very much affect the price in the UK.
Perhaps $3250 would be a fairer price. What do other readers think?
DavidP, South Wales

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GaryF

04-26-2007 03:57:20




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 Re: Here's a photo in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 04-26-2007 01:39:54  
MF135 Special = no tach, single cluch and Cont.Z134 engine vs Z145 in other models. It does look well kept, however your friend may want to keep looking he will be more satisfied with a dual clutch MF135. Gary



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g elppa

04-25-2007 18:59:12




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 Re: Here's a photo in reply to Jim.UT, 04-25-2007 13:41:16  
Looks good! It appears to be the same era tractor as my 2135 turf Industrial..... good tractor. How much is it?



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