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Pat Long

01-21-2007 04:58:45




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Does anybody have any info on how to get a massey fe 35 with a23c diesel engine to start easily. Thanks Pat.




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Bill Brox

01-23-2007 15:09:46




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
Hello Pat,

Here is what I hear.

1, timing of the injection pump is critical. Advancing it to just before it starts running hard makes wonder for starting some says.

2, when the head is off the best would be to have the head drilled for Nissan 12 volt heater plugs. This way it becomes like any newer pre-chamber car engine of today, just pre-heat the engine a bit, turn the key to start and it will start. Some says it will start better than a Perkins this way.

3, after some use the engine naturally loose some compression do to wear, and as one mention, this makes this engine harder to start. This means the engine also will be very sensitive to slower turning by the starter motor. So, whatever you can do to make the starter motor turn the engine over faster, do it, and it will help in starting.

As far as I understand, the Standard 23C engine is a very good and long lasting engine. It is nothing wrong with it, except the designe makes it a bit harder to start.


Bill


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Pat Long

01-24-2007 13:17:04




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Bill Brox, 01-23-2007 15:09:46  
Thanks Bill. Do u have any speck. on the heater plug job or know anybody who has?. Thanks Pat



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Bill Brox

01-26-2007 03:52:51




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-24-2007 13:17:04  
Hello Pat,

No, I do not have any specs of how to do this. Are you a FOFH memeber ?

Do you have a block heater or radiator hose heater on your engine ?


Bill



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Bill Brox

01-23-2007 15:18:23




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Bill Brox, 01-23-2007 15:09:46  
I should also mention that when the pre-combustion chambers in the 23 C engine starts to wear and the hole out down to the piston is not as new, this makes the engine harder to start and will not run as nice either.


Bill



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joebeen there

01-22-2007 12:10:25




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
try this
http://alltractorsusa.com/forum/index.php



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mike a. tenn.

01-21-2007 19:55:49




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
your tractor has the 3cyl 152 engine made by Perkins. Pat's tractor has the 4cyl. 23c engine made by Standard. notice that Pat lives in my grandmother's native country...the emerald isles of Ireland.



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Pat Long

01-21-2007 14:03:59




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
Thanks to everybody for their replys keep them coming. Pat.



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Joe Ferguson

01-21-2007 09:06:38




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
Hi....

We had one many years ago.

We installed a block heater and plugged it 2 hours
before start and it started on first turn. We used the heater even in july.

At noon we di'nt take too long for dinner to avoid
it cool down. In winter we let it running during
dinner.

I know it was a pain in "****"
but it was the only way to start it.

This was my 2� little story.

Joe Ferguson

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ric1

01-21-2007 08:34:42




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
i meant to say it starts extremely easy



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ric1

01-21-2007 08:32:17




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
i have a 1960 mf-35 diesel the english version is this tractor considered a fe-35 instead of a mf-35 it has mf decals but i know that doesnt really mean anything. it also has a 3 cylinder perkins diesel that starts emtremely. im not sure what you mean by a 23c ? thanks ```````````RICK



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Pat Long,Cooley, Ireland.

01-21-2007 13:58:29




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to ric1, 01-21-2007 08:32:17  
Thanks Rick----- Mine is a 4 cylinder massey with a standard 23c engine



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tractorsam

01-21-2007 06:51:16




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
I have one of these which is also a pain to start. After doing some research it appears that the timing is absolutely critical for them. Just the way they are made a very small error at the crankshaft is magnified about four times to the injector pump. They also use a timing chain which makes life somewhat more difficult still as you need to eliminate the slack properly before timing the engine. I'm told this can make a significant difference but I haven't tried it yet. Maybe later on I'll find up the timing procedure. Hope this helps, tractorsam

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tractorsam

01-21-2007 06:50:58




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
I have one of these which is also a pain to start. After doing some research it appears that the timing is absolutely critical for them. Just the way they are made a very small error at the crankshaft is magnified about four times to the injector pump. They also use a timing chain which makes life somewhat more difficult still as you need to eliminate the slack properly before timing the engine. I'm told this can make a significant difference but I haven't tried it yet. Maybe later on I'll find up the timing procedure. Hope this helps, tractorsam

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DavidP, South Wales

01-21-2007 05:11:37




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to Pat Long, 01-21-2007 04:58:45  
Hello,
I would have to be cynical here and say "overhaul the engine".
Don't know where you are but in the UK they are not regarded as good starters. As I understand it, once the compression falls slightly, that is when the problems start.
I ulso understand that the design of the Ricardo Comet cylinder head combustion chambers influences this.
For the short term all that I think you can do is to ensure that your starting aid is working properly, your starter is at peak performance, your battery is fully charged and your connections all good.

Good luck
DavidP

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DavidP, South Wales

01-21-2007 05:12:40




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 Re: Fe 35-23c in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 01-21-2007 05:11:37  
Not forgetting all of the fuel injection system of course.



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