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Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years

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Kevin LA-CA

01-14-2007 18:31:25




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Usually I am on the Allis board, but Dad's cousin has a 165 that hasn't run for about 12-15 years. It is a Perkins 3 or 4 cylinder diesel.

How should I go about starting it? I am only familar with gas engines, never dealt with a diesel. In particular what should I do for the injector pump / fuel tank? Cautions about these? Engine isn't stuck (turning fanbelt moves crank).

thanks kevin




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Kevin LA-CA

01-16-2007 19:44:52




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to Kevin LA-CA, 01-14-2007 18:31:25  
Thanks for the help! That was exactly what I needed to see for handling the pump aspect.

thanks kevin



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The preacher

01-14-2007 19:07:34




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to Kevin LA-CA, 01-14-2007 18:31:25  
The first thing to do is check the tractor over for any obvious signs of damage or problems. Check the antifreeze level, and refill as needed.Also check the transmission/final drive fluid level. Remove the air filter and replace if it's paper, or clean if it's an oil bath type. Next, remove the hood, and drain and remove the fuel tank. unhook only the suction line on the bottom, and the return line on the back near the top. Drain the engine oil, and replace the oil filter. Having the hood and tank off will give you an opportunity to check for mouse nests, inspect the wiring under the dash, and clean off the top of the engine. Remove the valve cover and pour two quarts of 15W40 oil over the valves, rocker arms, pushrods, and camshaft. This will lubricate the top of the engine in preparation for starting. Now replace the valve cover with a new gasket and refill the crankcase to proper level. Next replace the fuel filters, Be sure to use the proper O-ring in the proper place. The one with the blue stripe goes in the top of the filter housing. The other seals the cap or bowl on the bottom. Replace the fuel tank and hood, fill with clean diesel fuel, and manually prime the injection pump. This is done by opening the bleeder valve on the side of the injection pump and pushing the lever on the side of the lift pump. When the fuel filters are full, and you get a steady stream of fuel with no air from the bleeder screw, close the bleeder screw. Now you're ready to go. Install a fresh, fully charged battery, make sure it's in neutral, depress the clutch, and hit the key. Be sure to keep the throttle in the idle position. It may take some time to get the injection pump primed, but be patient. Perkins engines can be a little frustrating to prime. Just keep pumping the hand primer, and it'll go. You shouldn't need to open the bleeder valve any more. Resist the urge to use ether, in the end I think it causes more harm than good, especially in an engine that's been sitting a while. Once it starts, lock the parking brake and dismount the tractor to check for leaks of any kind. They may not show up until the tractor warms up. Check for good oil pressure, and make sure it's charging. Once all this is done, shut it off and recheck the oil level. Then, restart it and run it at about 1000 rpm's until it warms up, then put it in the field and go to work. If anything happens, it's gonna happen out there, anyway. Sorry for the long post, but this is the way I would do it. You could just put a battery in it, fire it up, and go to work. But, this way you can avoid most small problems, and maybe find a few before they become big problems.

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jerrycpp(WA)

01-16-2007 12:30:36




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to The preacher, 01-14-2007 19:07:34  
I don't even own a diesel, but have worked on them many times. That is the best written, most understandable, and accurate description of what to do I've ever seen. Good writing!



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the preacher

01-16-2007 18:04:07




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to jerrycpp(WA), 01-16-2007 12:30:36  
Thanks!! I just would like to see him get it going without any problems.



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noncompos

01-17-2007 14:22:46




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to the preacher, 01-16-2007 18:04:07  
Preacher, my experience is strictly gas. Among the things you mentioned, with gas I'd spin the engine with the starter (plugs out) to see if the oil press would come up etc. Is there a comparable way to do it with a diesel that has no hand compression release, other than pulling injectors, which I understand can be a project in itself?



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The Preacher

01-17-2007 16:04:54




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 Re: Starting 165 - after sitting 15 years in reply to noncompos, 01-17-2007 14:22:46  
There"s not really a good way to do it unless you remove the injectors. On the Perkins engines, it"s not a very bad job. You simply remove the high pressure line, remove the two bolts that hold the injector clamp, then pull the injector out. It may take a little wiggling or turning. Be sure to not lose the copper sealing washer on the end of the injector, and make sure you get absolutely NO dirt or dust in the injector or fuel line.

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