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MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N

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jinxpress

12-04-2006 05:17:52




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Would board members please post pro's and con's for the MF 35 and 135. I am looking to replace my ole 9N. Desil or gas? Live Hydralics? Where both equiped with 6 forward and 2 reverse transmissions?

Also, what is the difference between LIVE PTO and IND PTO?

Thanks for any input.




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Tim Ashick

01-30-2007 17:43:38




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
I own a 135 Diesel; it is a UK version. The 135 was made in two versions; an American and a UK.
The UK has a heavier front axle and bigger clutches. The easiest way to tell(UK) the difference is the headlights located in the grille rather than on the hood sides or rear fenders. The engine is the same. The hood on an American opens in one piece, as the UK opens in two pieces, with the main one for the rad and fuel tank. The other section opens for the air cleaner stack , battery and gauges. The serial numbers are in a different sequence with 6 digits. Another difference is the tach runs anti-clockwise, and most UK have power steering with a similar set up to the industrial tractor. I have a Davis front pump loader on mine, as the UK uses a heavier welded box section front axle, as compared to the 2 piece cast front axle on the American similar to the 35 or 8N Ford. The front hubs on a UK have a grease fitting in the center, and the American has a cast Aluminum cap.

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BillinMass

12-05-2006 12:19:36




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
I replaced my 8N with a Massey Ferguson 30B Industrial Tractor. First let me say a few things about owning an 8N. 8Ns are a perfect size for a small farm like mine (30a) a fact not lost on Kubota but on many other machine builders... and the 8N has the basic Ferguson 3 point system and PTO that are a requirement for most modern implements. The two big problems the 8N has are insufficient horsepower and having to spin the PTO to lift the three point arms. So if you are brushogging and stall the tractor, you have to physically disconnect the PTO drive shaft to lift the implement after restarting the tractor. The 30B (and the very similiar agricultural version MF245) has live lift so that you can lift the implement without spinning the brushhogs blades...and the three cylinder Perkins puts out about 45 horsepower, 39 hp at the PTO as compared to 11 PTO HP for the 8N...and all of the Perkins parts are available to my knowledge.. the 30B is a compact tractor and not too big. Larger and heavier than an 8N but not high and huge. One word of caution, some industrial MF tractors (of the same model number) have no PTO or an "automatic reverse" trasmission that instantaneously reverses the PTO shaft. Essentially, the MF 135 or 245 (or Industrial 30B with a PTO and without an "automatic reverser") are a great servicable upgrade from all points of the compass....although they may not have the charm of an old 8N...the father of all tractors..
Peace

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jinxpress

12-05-2006 06:25:27




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
Thanks for the input. I am going to look at a 135,gas, today. Claiming 1032 hours, sounds low. Betting the hour meter doesn't work. Nothing else listed in ad as to trans, tires, pto. Specs I have found looks like the 135 was produced from 1964 to 1974.



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Joe Ferguson

12-04-2006 18:32:48




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
Hi mister Jinx

I have a 135 ....very good tractor..... the weakest systems are Multi-power and independent PTO. These systems use an auxiliary pump and clutch pack same as used in automobile automatic transmissions. If I had to buy a 135 I wd avoid one with MP and/or IPTO. If the one you are looking for has MP and/or IPTO I suggest that both systems checked for slipping under heavy load.

Otherwise I think that the MF-135 is the better (30-40 HP) tractor of of his era.

My 2�

Joe Ferguson

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135 Fan

12-04-2006 15:35:29




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
The 135 is an updated 35 with better 3 pt. hydraulics and a direct injection Perkins diesel on diesel models. This is one of the most sought after tractors in the world. They also have been beefed up in other areas over the 35. They are both good tractors but it's worth paying more for a 135. Preferably with the diesel. The perkins gas is a very good engine as well and shares a lot of parts with the diesel. Continental gas are good engines but I think parts are more expensive. Live PTO uses a dual clutch. One for tranny and one for PTO, both operated by the clutch pedal. Independent PTO runs by itself. The only cons about a 135 is that you'll have to pay a little to get a good one. Check any tractor out thoroughly before purchasing though. Dave

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MF Poor

12-04-2006 13:24:55




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
If you have the chance, buy a diesel. Gassers are great tractors and diesels are even better. Extremely fuel efficient. The little N series tractors are no match for a 135. If Massey still built 135's they'd still sell in big numbers.



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IMKCMAC

12-04-2006 12:51:16




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
I too have a MF 135 Deluxe.It is a great tractor.I asked several people where i work and only one guy had anything bad to say and it was actually about a different Massey.Alot of parts are still available for them at dealers.Mine even has the differental lock which i have used on several occasions mowing along the ditchline.I also have the 4cy Continental and the Multi-Power trans.There is no comparison between it and the 9n.

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Christos

12-04-2006 09:11:20




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
Either tractor would work, but the 135 was the best tractor of its age and class beating out all the manufactures.

Its internals would generally be an upgrade from the 35, so I would go for the 135. I've got a gas deluxe but I heard the diesels are just as good.

Christos



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Gerald J.

12-04-2006 09:11:12




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
I've had an 8N and I have a 135. The 135 is a tractor, the 8N was a toy.

There were several transmissions possible in the 135, 6 x 2 or 8x 2 or 12 x 4 (6 x 2 with multipower). Look for oil drips out of the bell housing. Too much oil there can be a sign of needing tranmission input shaft seals and probably having the shafts welded up and ground back to size.

Live PTO means a two stage clutch but keeps the PTO running while you shift gears if you want. Independent PTO runs the PTO completely independent of the transmission and transmission clutch. I think the independent PTO is far less common of the two.

The hydraulic pump is on the live PTO shaft in front of the PTO shift gears so is stopped when you disengage the second clutch, but you don't have to stop the hydraulics while shifting gears.

My 135 is NOT for sale.

Lots of people prefer the diesel. And pay for the privilige. I know how to tune a gas engine. The 135 had either Continental Z134 (special) or Z145 (deluxe) or a Perkins 3 cylinder. I have found that the corks in the ends of the rocker arm shaft rot with age and upset the lubrication of the Continental engine's rocker arms, but they can be rebuilt. I've had no experience with the Perkins gas or diesels, many do like them.

Gerald J.

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gjn

12-04-2006 07:32:45




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to jinxpress, 12-04-2006 05:17:52  
I LIKE THE MF 135 Gas models. I have a 2135 which is the industrial version. It is a good running tractor with a ergonomic design. Easy to drive and use.



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dale brown

12-05-2006 16:56:55




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 Re: MF 35 or 135 looking to replace my 9N in reply to gjn, 12-04-2006 07:32:45  
Get the MF 135 w/perkins 3 cyclinder diesel. You won't be sorry. the hotter the diesel gets the better it runs.the hotter the gasser gets, the worse it runs. In N.C. in the summer, it'll get hot, and spark knock when under load, easy to flood, sometimes vapor lock. If it gets rained on real heavily, the ignition can give trouble, etc. The Perkins: If she's right, she''l crank every time, and run like champ, and pull like a few mules. My 2 cents..

Dale

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