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165 three point lift arms.

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Steve-O NY

11-15-2006 09:29:00




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Hi all,
I am looking at buying a 1967 165, when the tractor is started, the lift arms go all the way up, and won't come back down no matter where the control lever is positioned. It takes a few days for them to come back down if the tractor is not run. Is this $$$ or difficult to repair??? Any help is greatly appreciated!! Thanks.




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smokey2

11-15-2006 13:39:10




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 Re: 165 three point lift arms. in reply to Steve-O NY, 11-15-2006 09:29:00  
I have similar problems with a MF135. Big Dean has some info on these sort of problems. ie stuck valves. Initial fix is to drain oil, clean filter and replace with fresh tranmission oil. A good run then seems to looosen things up. These tractors are approx 35 years old and alot of crap can be found in the gear box.



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DavidP, South Wales

11-15-2006 11:43:57




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 Re: 165 three point lift arms. in reply to Steve-O NY, 11-15-2006 09:29:00  
Hi Steve,
First of all, have you checked the position of the response control lever? This is found just inside the diff pedal by your right heel. If the system has been overhauled it is possible that if the lever is in the 'slow' position that it might be enough to keep the unladen arms up.
Lower temperatures and thicker oil will help this. Another possibility is that the oscillator under the Ferhuson pump is broken or faulty. The oscillator rocks back and forth to prevent the control valve sticking.If the tractor is '67 it might just have one of the original aluminium items that are prone to snap. Later ones were made of metal. If this is the case it will be a removal of the cover and pump to gain access. Something that you can try is to drain the oil to the level of the lower bolt on the RH side cover. Carefully remove the cover. Make sure that you do not dislodge the 'response' plunger (plunger with a small screw sticking out of the side). Operate your quadrant levers and you should see the pump lever obeying the movements. It is better to have the arms down when you do this. If everything appears to be working then I think the oscillator is a possibility.
Do you know if the oil has been cooked lately. Severe overheating of the oil can cause the control valve to stick. Please let me know how you get on.
DavidP, South Wales

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Steve-O NY

11-17-2006 03:26:13




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 Re: 165 three point lift arms. in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 11-15-2006 11:43:57  
Thanks for the input, I checked it out again yesterday, and found that the oil level is at the bottom of the stick. Also I"m told the tractor hasn"t run in two years, or been worked in 5. I am in the process of doing a more thorough inspection. I drove it down the road and all gears are quiet, and the MP seems to work fine. PS only to the right, so I think there is an adjustment needed there. Possibly with fluid and filter change things will work better?

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