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Lynny Bee

10-25-2006 06:52:27




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Hi, I "bought the farm" and it came with a 135 that has a forklift attachment. I got the tractor running and the forklift controls worked, then I put a cultivator on the back and pulled that around. Next time I tried to operate the forks they didn't move at all. There are several levers that are mysteries. 1. on left side (sitting on seat) that say ground/neutral/engine and a small lever with hydraulic hoses connnected on the right with forward up and back positions. I need an owners manual obviously but any suggestions would help thanks, Lynn

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 12:02:33




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Lynny Bee, 10-25-2006 06:52:27  
The hydraulics can be confusing to figure out. It sounds like you have one set of remote couplers that run a forklift cylinder? Or is there just forks on the 3 pt. hitch? The lever on the left beside the floor board is the PTO engagement. You have to push the clutch to engage it. Do it at idle as sometimes you have to play with the clutch a little to line the gears up. You almost never use ground speed. Engine PTO is used 99.9% of the time. Ground speed reverses when you back up so you can wreck things if it doesn't stop. For the hydraulics to work the clutch has to be out at least half way. If you have aux. couplers there should be either a selector valve or standard looking hydraulic valve in front of the seat. If there is two controls, one is for the 3 pt and the other for remotes. One of them always has to be in neutral [middle] position. Pull the left one back and the 3 pt. controls on the right side of the seat will operate the 3 pt. hitch. To use the other valve for remotes, put the left one in neutral and put the 3 pt. controls beside the seat all the way up. The nearest one goes all the way up and is pushed over and pushed back even further into constant pumping. I have this set up. If you look closely it is stamped on the round frame that the 3 pt. controls slide in. There is probably some screw adjusters on the valves by the seat. They are for single or double acting. The Aux. hydraulics manual mentioned is on the Puddingsworld web site. Big Dean is also very informative. If you need any other assistance there are a lot of us out here with 135's to help. Thats a pretty good tractor to get thrown in. I've seen them for sale up to $9700 with a loader. Happy tractoring with your new toy. Dave

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Gerald J.

10-25-2006 09:35:04




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Lynny Bee, 10-25-2006 06:52:27  
On my MF-135 with two remotes added there are three hydraulic levers in front of the seat. The left one is a selector. In the mid position, the right two levers work the auxiliary hydraulic ports which would be your fork lift. The left lever has three latching positions. Forward it lifts the three point if the two levers to the right of the seat are full up, in the mid position it locks the 3 point and enables the auxiliaries, back, it lowers the three point.

For auxiliary hydraulics to work, the front part of the PTO shaft has to be turning, so the double clutch bottom part has to be engaged, transmission gears don't matter, and the lift lever on the quadrant has to be in the constant pumping position and the draft lever all the way up. The ground/neutral/engine shifter on the left under the seat doesn't matter to the hydraulics either. But if in the engine position, the pump isn't running unless the external PTO shaft is turning.

There are three ways to run the three point, and any of them can turn off the auxiliary hydraulics.

Auxiliary hydraulics isn't covered in the owner's manual and I don't find that the triple valve is covered in the manual on auxiliary hydraulics. That manual is MF number 690 562 M3. Titled: "Operator's Manual. Basic & Auxiliary Hydraulic systems for MF 130 through MF 180 Tractors"

Gerald J.

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 12:12:48




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Gerald J., 10-25-2006 09:35:04  
Gerald, it seems are valves for operating the 3 pt. are opposite. My lever by the seat has to be pulled back for the 3 pt. controls to work. I think thats what Big Dean says as well. They must have been able to be hooked up either way. A mechanic at a dealer told me there were a whole bunch of different types of Aux. valves. I thought I'd mention this so Lynny wouldn't get even more confused. Dave

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Gerald J.

10-25-2006 12:48:23




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to 135 Fan, 10-25-2006 12:12:48  
There surely have been several makes of these valve adapters, both factory and after market. And there's no good reason to insist they all worked the same. In fact patents would decree that some might work differently just to avoid patent infringement or licensing costs. I believe mine is factory, but I know Cross and Gresen and maybe Prince have made them. I've not noticed any in catalogs lately, but then since mine is working fine, I've not been looking for any.

That manual I have is odd. There's no discussion of the valve I have, but the only parts page is the valve I have.

Gerald J.

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 13:12:56




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Gerald J., 10-25-2006 12:48:23  
That manual doesn't mention about having to lock the left lever in position. It says it on Big Deans site. I believe mine is an original MF. I was told by Big Dean, I think, that all the valves were put on after they left the factory as dealer installed options. Maybe the lines could be hooked up either way. As long as they work. I've never seen a valve like mine but have seen similar ones. Does yours have the screw adjusters on the side and back of the valve? Tricky to figure out but make sense once you do. There should be a 135 owners club. We could take over the world by shear numbers. LOL Dave

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Gerald J.

10-25-2006 17:38:32




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to 135 Fan, 10-25-2006 13:12:56  
The left hydraulic lever on my MF-135 has at least two detent position. Middle and front are detented for sure. Middle for use of auxiliaries, front for original lift and draft controls to run the three point.

I don't remember any adjustment screws on the hydraulic valve. And there are none shown in the parts picture. While in the manual pictures and text everything they show has adjustment screws.

I'm not sure MF didn't buy the valves from Gresen or Cross. I know the valve on my MF-236 loader is a Gresen. You can look for a name cast in the original casting. There would be most likely Gresen, Cross, or Prince though there were other possible makers.

The MF-135 is a sturdy enough tractor to make the most popular Ford 8N look like a toy where the 135 gets in the same places but does more than twice the work of the N tractors. I will keep my MF-135 at work for a few years yet and will give some farm work to the JD-4020 also, but lately the 135 gets more jobs because of its decent fuel economy. It did my planting and most of my spraying while the 4020 only does loader work and spraying when the added clearance is needed. I put 12.4 - 42 tires on the back of the 4020 to get it to fit down the rows better too.

Gerald J.

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 19:43:22




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Gerald J., 10-25-2006 17:38:32  
135's are more popular than 8N's. I was trying to find out production numbers world wide but nobody seems to know. Apparently the original Fordsons were the most popular ever. I think I recall hearing that 135's were the second most popular of all time. US literature says they are the biggest selling single model. I guess they mean for a modern tractor. They were made in UK,US,France and Spain for sure. They were also shipped in CKD [complete knock down] and PKD [partial knock down]. I don't know if the knock down versions have different serial numbers. They are used all over the world. I read that the 3 cylinder Perkins is the most popular tractor engine of all time. They've been making them for 50 some years. The original 35 [pre 135] is the most copied tractor in the world. Imagine if the 3 PT. Hitch would have had more patents and was only on MF tractors. They would have sold millions more. Dave

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supergrumpy

10-25-2006 07:51:40




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Lynny Bee, 10-25-2006 06:52:27  
my 135 is stock, on right hand side up near the fender you should have 2 slider type levers

to use my 3-point hitch stuff, the outside lever (draft) stays all the way up and the inner lever raises/lowers the implement, foot has to be off the clutch for lift to work

I am guessing that the extra lever is sitting on top of the trany, there is an extra port there that can be used for very limited hydralic flow

for faster hydralics, an external hydralic pump can be added but design varies

maybe you bumped the levers out of position

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Badly Bent

10-25-2006 07:01:28




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 Re: MF 135 controls in reply to Lynny Bee, 10-25-2006 06:52:27  
The control on the left (ground, neutral, engine) is the control lever for the reat PTO. Unless you"re using a PTO driven implement you will need to leave that lever in neutral. The other control is a hydraulic control valve, but I couldn"t tell you anything about the operation of it. I"m sure someone else will add some comments on that. An owners manual will help explain the original controls on the tractor, such as the PTO control, but won"t do you much good on the auxiliary hydraulic control you speak of. Tim

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