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175 D broke spindle HELP

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gtmerkley

10-14-2006 23:14:30




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Cutting fire wood the other day my front wheel came off on the left side when I was in a gully.The front axle went down in the lose dirt. I figured I had just lost the nut I looked around for the nut and bearings but all I found was some peace's of the bearing so I walked about a 1/4 mile back to the house.The next day me and my son went over and got the wheel and carried it to his truck that we managed to get with in 1/8 of a mile of the tractor we took it to the shop and had them press fit the one bearing and give me the other bearings ,nut and carter key. I through them along with the wheel a 3/4 in. drive socket set a hi lift jack and hammer and punch in the bed of the truck and we drove back to our 1/8 mile spot and proceeded to lug everything back to the tractor. I locked the brakes and gears in and chocked the back wheels then I jacked it up when I cleaned off the spindle I saw it was broken off. Now I cant get any one to go back there to fix it for me so I have to do it myself out in the woods and that means no power tools I never replaced a spindle before any suggestions? do you think I should loosen the spindle then jack up the tractor and slid the broken one out or should I take the two nuts lose from the axle and slide the axle extension and spindle out and take it to the shop? are there any bearings in the spindle holder? how hard is it to put the spindle in If I put it in myself Ill get the spindle here. it's cheaper then my dealer but if it is to much. then we will have to carry it all 1/8 of a mile to the truck my old Ferguson to 30 hasn't been run for awhile so I cant get it with another tractor I would like any advice you can give thanks George

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gtmerkley

10-16-2006 13:12:31




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to gtmerkley, 10-14-2006 23:14:30  
Thanks to all for the info. I got a lot better idea of what I need to do. First Ill go measure the length then Ill try digging a whole to drop it down I will wait till I get it back to the barn to do the fancy work.But every time I try to work on it. it starts raining my spirits are starting to get a little damp. I don't have a loader on it I had thought of making some kind of sled for the front and backing it out but think I will just get the spindle now. If I wait till they pick the beans I can drive through the field and get to with in a hundred yards of it. But the rain has been keeping my renters from combining too so that might be a while before I can get In there.It helps a lot knowing I am not alone that there are folks on the board, that are more then willing to give advice and take the time to help Thank you all.

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DavidP, South Wales

10-17-2006 06:28:52




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to gtmerkley, 10-16-2006 13:12:31  
Hello again,
There is a simple way that you might get the tractor back to the farm. If you jack up the front under the front casting or weight frame region or under the belly plate, again block it as you go. On the opposite side to the broken spindle, push the axle down and place a steel block (probably about 1 to 2 inches ontop of the axle beam and lower the tractor down onto its good wheel. Taken slowly and driven with care you should be able to get back to the farm.
I did this a while ago when a car hit a local tractor and broke the right hand king-pin housing (remember we drive on the left!!!!). The tractor was jacked up, a block inserted and driven more than half a mile back to my workshop.
"Three wheels on my tractor and I'm still rollin' along..... ."
Good luck
DavidP

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Make mine a Massey

10-16-2006 07:45:00




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to gtmerkley, 10-14-2006 23:14:30  
Broke a spindle on my 1085, after getting the wheel off, with the cast centres, took me about 20 minutes with a couple of wrenches, a big hammer, and a bit of elbow grease, not the trickiest job, leave the small details to when you get it back to civilization. If it has a loader with down pressure , drive it out backwards on the bucket and steer with the brakes. Been there , done that.



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BigMarv1085

10-15-2006 13:46:29




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to gtmerkley, 10-14-2006 23:14:30  
You can buy a new spindle for under $100 bucks. I would go ahead and replace the spindle to get it home. Then go ahead and replace the bushings. They may have to be honed with a brake honing tool.



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DavidP, South Wales

10-16-2006 00:20:35




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to BigMarv1085, 10-15-2006 13:46:29  
New kingpin bushes will need to be reamed out. That is a lot more material than a honing tool will ever remove. It is also important that they are reamed in line with the proper reamer tool.



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DavidP, South Wales

10-15-2006 03:39:49




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 Re: 175 D broke spindle HELP in reply to gtmerkley, 10-14-2006 23:14:30  
Hi George,
Let me know where you are and get me a plane ticket and I'll come over and do it for you!!!!!
Seriously. Don't think about removing the axle extension unless you have to.
With the axle jacked up, can you dig a hole in the ground to let the spindle fall out and remove it. If you can, great! If you can't you will have to jack up the axle but make sure you support it well as you go. Undo the single bolt in the top steering arm. A chisel tapped into the slot will assist the removal of the top arm. Remove the key and the spindle should 'fall' out or may require a little 'working' back and forth as it falls. Watch your feet!!! If the thrust bearing at the bottom of the spindle goes with it great. If not or it comes out in pieces the upper shield of the bearing will have to be removed. This can be awkward in place even in good working conditions. If you can, it is worth undoing the extension bolts and removing the extension and turning it upside down in the centre beam. This will give you good access to the thrust bearing. Assuming that the bearing is removed OK, you are well on the way. With a new spindle there will probably be some play in the bushes. Now is not the time to think about replacing them as they have to be reamed to size in place. Either take the extension with you or leave it with the tractor. If the unit is assembled it will be a lot heavier on the way back. Fitting is straight forward. Apply plenty of greas to the new/old thrust bearing. Before ordering new make sure that your tractor is not a 'high clearance' model. The spindle lengths and part numbers listed in my book which covers USA tractors are as follows; Normal duty length 352mm P/no LH 897457M96 RH 897456K96 High clearance .. 405mm LH 3700688 M91 RH 3700687 M91
Top seal 183021 M2
Thrust bearing 196167M1 Kit inc bushes 1810862M91
Good luck
DavidP, South Wales

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