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MH Combine HYD pump

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Farmall Doctor

09-09-2006 14:01:33




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Hello, I have a hydraulic pump/ reservoir off of a MH combine made by Bendix. It is a pulley driven 3 plunger internal pump with a 3 position valve built in. It has a 1/4" NPT outlet on the side and a larger 1/2" straight theaded hole beside it. I would like to use the unit belted to a small engine for a hydraulic power pack, but I can"t figure out how this unit is supposed to be plumbed in on the machine! When the pump turns, the small outlet pumps all the time, even when the valve is actuated either way. I can apply compressed air to the other port and it is opened only when the valve is shifted one way. I plugged the small outlet and it dead-heads until the valve is shifted the oppostie way and it requires some pressure to make oil come out the large port. I am assuming that this pump was used in tandem with an auto header valve. I thought someone may have tried to use one of these units like I am and could use any advise. If not, I"ll just plumb in a modern 3 position valve and use it that way. Thanks,
FD

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Bob

09-09-2006 17:26:15




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 Re: MH Combine HYD pump in reply to Farmall Doctor, 09-09-2006 14:01:33  
It is a CLOSED-CENTER pump.

It builds, and holds constant pressure, and then "goes out of stroke".

The line that is pumping all the time is for the power steering and servo cylinder/valve for the hydraulically actuated variable ground drive. Simply cap it. (They DID use a pulsation damper on that line.)

One port is for the "return" line from the power steering and variable speed servo.

The internal valve is SINGLE ACTING, and there is only ONE cylinder port... with the control valve moved one way, oil is pumped to a SINGLE ACTING cylinder, to lift the header. When the valve is allowed to "center", the load (the header) is held in place. When the valve is moved the other way, oil is allowed to RETURN into the pump/reservoir, and the header drops by it's own weight.

By using an external CLOSED CENTER valve, fed from the constant flow port, and returning into the other port, you could operate a double-acting cylinder, while ignoring the internal single-acting valve, and capping it's port.

I hope I have explained this in an understandable manner!!!

(I have two of the darned things, if you need any more!)

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Farmall Doctor

09-10-2006 07:54:09




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 Re: MH Combine HYD pump in reply to Bob, 09-09-2006 17:26:15  
Thanks for the info Bob. I will have another look at it today. I did cap the small line, but I couldn't turn the pulley by hand, so if that's the way it is, I won't be able to use it belted up to a 3.5hp Briggs and Stratton. I'll figure something out.
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FD



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Bob

09-11-2006 05:26:07




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 Re: MH Combine HYD pump in reply to Farmall Doctor, 09-10-2006 07:54:09  
I would think the 3.5 HP engine SHOULD run it. It will "go out of stroke" as it comes up to pressure, and turn easier.

Those systems were noisy, and we had one combine where the pump's stroke control valve must have failed. It would bust hoses, and steel lines, so we changed it out.



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