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Ammeter Gauge

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Jake D.

09-08-2006 20:37:11




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I was wondering at what level my ammeter should be at. It is a -30 to +30 and usually is about +13 when running. It's on a MH 33. I'm not sure if the generator is charging good enough cause if we leave both terminals hooked up, the tractor won't crank over the next time I want to run it. However there is a spark from the positive stud to the ground strap terminal when it's off the stud, but close to it. Lately we've been unhooking the one terminal and when we put it back on the next time it cranks over and starts like on a full charge. Could that spark be just draining the battery and the generator working fine?

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Gerald J.

09-09-2006 08:33:31




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 Re: Ammeter Gauge in reply to Jake D., 09-08-2006 20:37:11  
That spark indicates you have a load. A dirty insulator, a wire with the insulation worn through, the ignition, a light, or a faulty cutout relay on the generator. All these can cause that battery discharging load.

If you have a simple generator without voltage regulator but uses three brushes and there is only the cutout (often in a round case with only two terminals) the generator will put out a constant current so after you figure the battery is charged from starting you turn on the lights to cut back on the current that gets to the battery. 30s vintage cars and trucks used that scheme too.

If you have a voltage regulator (rectangular case with terminals for battery, armature, and field) it should be holding a constant voltage so long as the generator is turning fast enouogh and the charging current should be higher initially but should taper off. That is better for the battery. The main advantage of an alternator is that the solid state regulators commonly used hold that voltage better. There are other advantages like no back current and greater charging current at low speeds, and on MF tractors the alternator kills the tachometer.

You need to find what is drawing current when the tractor is shut down. Unhook that battery connection (the grounded one) and hook a test lamp between the battery post and the cable. It will light to indicate a leakage. The smaller the lamp, the more sensitive the test. Then unhook wiring parts until you isolate the problem. And then fix that problem and confirm the lamp stays off when you test that way.

Gerald J.

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Jake D.

09-09-2006 05:52:53




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 Re: Ammeter Gauge in reply to Jake D., 09-08-2006 20:37:11  
This battery was just bought last Monday. All the cells are full. What we thought is since we're getting a sprak on the terminal from the stud is there is a drain somewhere. If it helps, it's a 6 volt system.



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MF Poor

09-08-2006 22:36:22




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 Re: Ammeter Gauge in reply to Jake D., 09-08-2006 20:37:11  
If the ammeter is REALLY showing +13 charge all the time when running, you've got issues. Most likely, a bad battery. I'm more familiar with an alternator than generators anymore, but the same general rules apply. If your battery holds a charge at all, it should show a + charge when first started, then after a few minutes, drop back to just a slight (maybe +1 to +3) charge just to maintain the battery. A high charge rate would indicate that the igniton is running entirely off the generator and not the storage battery, which is needing constant high charge.

I'd look to see if you have a few dry cells, or an entirely bad battery.

JMHO, and worth all you paid for it I might add.

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