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MF 135 vs Ford 2n

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Rusty Stuff

08-28-2006 17:27:41




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I have a Ford 2N with a 5 foot bush hog that I use to mow some fields during the summer. I have had it for maybe 10 years and it hasnt failed me but I am looking to upgrade. I have found a MF 135 that looks to be in nice shape from the pictures, asking price is $4000. This is the gas version. I have not seen the tractor yet, is a 135 physically much bigger than a 2N? I mow a lot of hills and the small size and low 2N works well for them so I want something that isnt so tall as to want to roll over sideways. I do need more power, the 2N gets bogged down in the higher grass. Any comments or what to check when I go look at this tractor? Price seem in the ballpark? Thanks!

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TJN

08-30-2006 10:21:43




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
I have a bit of a different story to tell. I bought a 135 at an auction recently. It looked GREAT, all painted up, it looked like brand new. Once I got it home I found out that whom ever had it previously used parts from all the different series of MF tractors. They hydraulics were completely messed up and I ended up having to replace the entire top plate. The rubber boots on both shifter were missing and the case was full of water. The rear main seal leaked, there were bolts missing that held the front end together, the PTO wouldn't work, the draft setting didn't work (see note above on having to replace the entire top plate).

I ended up dumping as much into this tractor, or more, than what I paid for it. I got taken because, although I'm pretty good with wrench when it comes to cars and trucks, tractors are different and I didn't take a tractor SME with me before I bid on the stupid thing. This machine is a CONSTANT maintenance nightmare. Two days ago the front tire was flat so I just replaced it yesterday. Putting it on, I noticed the exhaust pipe is cracked where it bolts up to the manifold. If its not one thing, its another. The list goes on and on and on and on. My advice is get a VERY knowledgeable tractor SME to go with you and don't be afraid to scrutinize everything. Don't fall for the old "It's an old tractor, there are things that bound not work". That seems Ok until you're the one that gets it home and finds out it's going to take another 3-4 thousand dollars just to get it to do what it should.

I should point out that I don't desparage the MF 135 for all these problems, but rather the previous owner who intentionally passed this turd off to myself. In reality, I was the one dumb enough to buy it based on looks alone. I'm sure that with another couple of thousand dollars, I'll have a tractor that is every bit as decent as any other "average" 135. But for right now, I'm paying a huge price. It's not just he cost, but the frustration of having invested all the money and not being able to do anything with it. In the meantime, stuff keeps growing that needs to be cut, and all those other tractor tasks keep building up, while you continue to dump time and money into an old tractor.

Thankfuly, I found a man who was extremely well qualified to fix all my problems for me, but he, like anyone else out there, doesn't work for free.

Someday, I'll end up selling this tractor, and someone else will have the opposite experience. I'll definately lose money on it. But at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing someone else out there will not have to go through what I have.

Good Luck!!!

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jerrycpp(WA)

08-30-2006 08:22:49




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
I have a MF-135 with Perkins gas. The engine is the same as the diesel except the head and stuff it takes to deliver and fire the fuel. It is an excellent tractor, one I have no hesitation recommending.. I bought it to replace a TO-20 and an 8N, and though I still have both, the MF-135 does 99% of the work, and does it quicker and in far more comfort. Power steering and live hydraulic are the two best things that ever happened to tractors.

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Georgia

08-29-2006 13:38:33




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
I have a massey 135 and a ford 9n both sitting under the shed right now.
When I have hard work to be done, its the massey all the way ... no comparison.



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Dean

08-29-2006 09:18:44




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
Rusty:

The MF-35/135 is one of the best small tractors ever built as is the N series Ford but comparison of these tractors is not realistic as they are from different eras. The MF-135 is a 30 year newer design than the 9N and reflects the improvements in technology and manufacturing that occured in the interim.

That said, a good 135 will do nearly twice the work of a good 9N and use much less fuel doing it if it is a Perkins diesel. I have no experience with the 3 cylinder Perkins gasoline engine but it should be nearly bullet proof as it is a conversion of the much desired desiel version and shares many parts.

The 135 is heavier than your 9N but only slightly larger so it is only slightly less nimble. The center of gravity is slightly higher, however, so be careful on your hill sides.

As others have already said, the 135 will have live PTO and hydraulics, and may have power steering, differential lock, and power adjust rims.

If it has Multi-Power (high-low power shift) check it out thoroughly as these are somewhat trouble prone and expensive to repair. They also over run when in low range so be alert as you will coast down hills.

Hope this helps.

Dean

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Rusty stuff

08-29-2006 09:24:30




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Dean, 08-29-2006 09:18:44  
Thanks for the replys, they sound like good tractors. Dean, what should I do to check out the multi power unit? How would I know if it has a problem or is working correctly? I would mostl likely just be leaving the unit in high range and using a lower gear to mow. No real hard farm work would be done with it.



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Dean

08-29-2006 15:09:15




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty stuff, 08-29-2006 09:24:30  
Rusty:

If the 135 that you are looking at has Multi-Power it will have a small lever on the lower right side of the dash panel. If it does not have MP and never did have, it will probably have a slot for the MP lever with a block-off plate bolted over it. If it has the slot without the block-off plate it may have once had MP that has since been removed. This is not uncommon.

If MP equipped, be sure that it will pull hard in both high and low range and shifts crisply when fully up to temperature. MP is very handy to have if it works well but it is expensive to repair, and some tractors that were once so equipped have had the MP mechanism removed or otherwise defeated.

I do not mean to disuade you from the 135. It is a GREAT tractor with or without MP. Just be cautious of an attractively priced 135 with MP. Around here a decent MF 135 diesel will bring $5000+. I'm much less familiar with the gasoline versions but I believe that they sell for $750 - $1000 less.

Dean

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Gerald J.

08-29-2006 10:43:30




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty stuff, 08-29-2006 09:24:30  
There is a range transmission shifter, its not the multi power. Multipower is a gear splitter giving intermediate speeds between what the two transmissions already give. And it can be shifted on the go. The transmissions are not synchronized so you don't shift them on the go.

Gerald J.



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Rusty Stuff

08-29-2006 13:43:32




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Gerald J., 08-29-2006 10:43:30  
ok, I understand now what the multipower is, not sure if it has it or not, I will check out the tractor this weekend. Sounds like it will do all I want it to, just have to see how the physical size of the machine is because of all the hills I have.



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Gerald J.

08-28-2006 21:37:39




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
I had an 8N once. I farm with a MF-135 now. The difference is almost as much as comparing a Tonka to a Ford Super Duty truck. The 135 does all the work reliably that the N series wished it could.

Far better hydraulics, three point, power steering often on the 135, more power, lots more weight, not a lot bigger, live PTO, up to 12 speeds forward 4 reverse, and the steering doesn't break your arm when you run over a mole hill like the 2N tries.

Gerald J.

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rusty stuff

08-28-2006 19:02:10




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
sounds good, double the power is always nice! Are they terribly difficult to get parts for? I certainly dont plan on hurting it the was I would use it but may need parts here and there.



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Bill Brox

08-30-2006 08:16:35




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to rusty stuff, 08-28-2006 19:02:10  
I would say they should be "terribly" easy to get parts for.


Bill



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Gerald J.

08-29-2006 08:13:45




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to rusty stuff, 08-28-2006 19:02:10  
MF dealers do have parts. Also the common parts are available from farm stores. John Deere parts has a parts list that prints out about 20 pages for the MF-135. Parts are also avaialable on line, and some MF dealers do long distance telephone sales.

Gerald J.



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C. T. in Oklahoma

08-29-2006 06:35:10




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to rusty stuff, 08-28-2006 19:02:10  
I thought I would point out that 50% more horsepower is not double the hp. Ie: if the Ford is 25 hp, then 50% more would be 37.5 hp. I found that a 2n is 24hp and the 135 is 38hp. I believe those are averages, because I don't think the gas and diesel are the same. C. T.



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Badly Bent

08-29-2006 03:59:40




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to rusty stuff, 08-28-2006 19:02:10  
Parts for the 135 are still available from your nearest MF dealership and many other vendors online. Tim



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supergrumpy

08-28-2006 18:57:31




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
take that 135 around the field a few times and then see if you have to ask



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Bob N.Y.

08-28-2006 17:56:33




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Rusty Stuff, 08-28-2006 17:27:41  
The 135 is physically about the same size as the 9N, though it will probably have larger tires. The 135 is about 50% more horse power and has the advantage of live PTO and live hydraulics.



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richard in nz

08-29-2006 01:03:38




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 Re: MF 135 vs Ford 2n in reply to Bob N.Y., 08-28-2006 17:56:33  
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