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Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65

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Kempo in VT

07-28-2006 10:16:54




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I just bought a circa 1970 MF 65 diesel (it's my very first tractor) and I've been reading through the archives here about fitting front end loaders on these babies, and that one they really need an additional hydraulics pump to operate efficiently. I've also read that the front-mounted pumps interfere with the steering linkage and prevent full left hand turns. On one post I came across, someone mentioned that this problem with the steering only occured on the older 65s, and since mine is a '70, I'm wondering if I too would run into the same left turn conflict with a front mounted pump.

I'm also unsure what FELs will fit my 65, but I wanted to get something used. If it's coming off another tractor, any ideas as to what other models or brands have a similar mounting configuration that would adapt easily to my Massey?

Thanks,

Kempo

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Ed Lotterman

07-29-2006 21:12:52




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 Re: Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65 in reply to Kempo in VT, 07-28-2006 10:16:54  
Kempo: You need to think about what you will do with the loader. People have gotten a bit spoiled by newer equipment with higher-capacity hydraulics, very fast bucket lift on loaders.

But thousands of people used loaders on MF-65s and similar tractors and thought it was a great improvement over what they had before.

If you are going to use this machine hours every day in a livestock operation or if you want to do major excavating, then an MF 65 with internal hydraulics is not really adequate. But if you are a rural resident with an acreage and want to move a little fill dirt occasionally, dig out the driveway when it snows and so forth, then you will do fine.

I have a 165 with a Freeman loader, have the loader only because it came with the tractor, but you can do a lot with it. When I was a kid we had a TO-20 with a Ford Dearborn loader, trip bucket with spring return, single-acting lift cylinders, etc. We thought it was the greatest thing ever because it save a lot of hand labor.

Tell us what you plan to do so people can base their answers on that.

Ed

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mn.Chuck

07-28-2006 17:23:10




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 Re: Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65 in reply to Kempo in VT, 07-28-2006 10:16:54  
Kempo, Massey did come out with a kit that could
be installed to update steering mechanical to more
like a 165. When the tractors were near new it made sense to retrofit them but now it would be
hard to find a kit and they would be expensive.
I'd go with a PTO pump and 2 lever valve. It is
true that you can hardly turn to the left much at
all with a drive shaft going thru the front. Chuck

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Eric in IL

07-28-2006 14:27:06




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 Re: Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65 in reply to Kempo in VT, 07-28-2006 10:16:54  
Kempo,

I thought they quit making the model 65 around 1965 or 1966 but not sure. As to the steering arm being in the way, you could probably visually inspect to see if it would get in the way. Just remove the lower portion of the grill and watch the arm as someone else turns the steering from side to side.

I have a 1960 model 65 that I put a Freeman loader on. I used the tractor hydraulic system and it was slow. I sold the loader several years ago. Loader work is hard on the front ends of these older tractors. While the loader was on my tractor I wore through the bushings at the pivot point of the front end and the pins wore into the casting. I had to weld up the castings and bore them out on a milling machine so they could hold a new bushing again. That job convinced me to sell the loader!

So my advise would be to check the condition of those bushings regularly and keep em greased. The walls of the bushings are very thin when new, probably not more than 1/16".

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Kempo in VT

07-28-2006 13:59:47




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 Re: Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65 in reply to Kempo in VT, 07-28-2006 10:16:54  
Well, although I was told it was a 1970 when I bought it, after checking the serial number, it appears that it"s actually a "62.

I suppose that changes things a bit, now doesn"t it?



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Barry_ID

07-28-2006 13:52:41




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 Re: Loader and hydro pump on 1970 MF65 in reply to Kempo in VT, 07-28-2006 10:16:54  
Kempo...I can't answer your question, but it might help others if you cleared up what year and model your tractor is. Is it a MF 165? I thought the model 65's weren't built after 1964 or thereabouts.



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