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ditch the chrome sleeves?

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Matt Eve

07-10-2006 12:49:31




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Hey guys,

Sorry if I'm repeating myself..... ....

It looks like the MF65 block will work fine for my MF165, but: From previous forum discussions, it appears as if the AD4.203 chrome sleeves may have problems with break in (ring seating.) It goes to the machine shop tomorrow. Should I have them bore the block to accept cast sleeves? Any chrome sleeve fans out there? Thanks, as always, for your sound advice.
Matt

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Blue Buddy

07-10-2006 16:40:33




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Matt Eve, 07-10-2006 12:49:31  
go whichever way ya want really, the chrome will wear longer, as for break-in, run a normal engine oil in it, NO additives, and NO synthetics for the first couple hundred hours, ya want to do this on any engine till the parts get shined up together, just make real sure you do not put in Chrome rings with Chrome sleeves, will never break in good, if yer really concerned, use a "Break-in" oil for the first 50 to 75 hours, drive and use it normally, just let it warm up good before working it, and do not lug the engine hard, but you do have to use it, can not just baby it, it has to do real work, as you get more hours on it work it harder till after 50 to 75 hours yer good to go.

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Matt Eve

07-10-2006 16:46:45




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Blue Buddy, 07-10-2006 16:40:33  
Hey Buddy,
Yes, blow-by is a big concern because I use the backhoe a lot and those fumes start accumulating REAL fast! Don't worry - I'll work her like a step child!
Thanks,
Matt



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J Schwiebert

07-10-2006 12:56:15




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Matt Eve, 07-10-2006 12:49:31  
This information is in reguard to chrome sleeves for a Perkins 354 (Oliver 1850) They wear well. Remember you can not use chrome rings. On the break in, How were you planning to break the engine in? I was also wondering why you need to bore the block to accept cast sleeves. We did not need to do anything to change from cast to chrome on the 354 engines.



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Matt Eve

07-10-2006 14:47:20




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-10-2006 12:56:15  
Hello JS,
From looking at the rebuild kits, there is a difference in the sleeves regarding flange width and wall thickness. Since Chrome sleeves are thinner, I assumed the cylider wall would be a little tighter to compensate and, therefore, have to be bored a little larger to accept cast sleeves. But maybe not...? Also, since cast flanges seem to be bigger, I assume there would be some machine work there also. If everybody agrees that chrome is okay, I'll leave the block alone.
Many thanks,
Matt

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Matt Eve

07-10-2006 16:08:11




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Matt Eve, 07-10-2006 14:47:20  
Okay, just found a rebuild kit that says "Contains CAST sleeves, for replacing original CHROME sleeves (flange thickness .040)". So, I guess I can go either way without additional machining. The only question now is which way to go, chrome or cast? I would think that these cast replacement sleeves would be really thin if they are replacing the original chrome sleeves, which - according to my book - were thinner than cast. Hmmm... wazzupwidat?

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Bill Brox

07-11-2006 06:13:07




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Matt Eve, 07-10-2006 16:08:11  
Well, I would choose chrome sleeve, because:

The chrome sleeve will last longer and the rings shorter. So, when the rings wears out, they are easier to replace.

If I choosed cast sleeve and chrome rings, I would probably next time have to replace the entire set again.

Maybe I am stupid now...


Bill



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richard in nz

07-11-2006 04:08:12




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 Re: ditch the chrome sleeves? in reply to Matt Eve, 07-10-2006 16:08:11  
I always used cast, but only due to customers not "working" the tractor during run in, chrome worked ok when it was new!



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