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Big paint problems in restoration

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Kevin

07-06-2006 12:02:51




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I just ran into a very big problem with the paint on my 44 gs im restoring. All thoughout assembly i did notice the prep job of the paint was done cheaply but it was a cheaper paint job so i expected that. Now all i have left to do if but the hood and grill on and fire her up. But today i stepped back and looked and thought, wow, that motor is a few shades lighter than the rest of the tractor. So i drove down to napa with my paint codes and picked up a spray can of the paint and painted the pto shield. Uh oh, that paint matches the motor. Now let me tell ya, this burns me, i have so much hard work and labor into disasembling the thing peice by peice and taking it to be painted peice by peice and putting it togather peice by peice to find out its all wrong. I have no idea what to do. I called the painter once and asked him about it and he claimed the paint on the tractor is faded alittle from the sun, but the motor sat out just as long as the tractor did wich was very little time. I tried calling again and he wont return my calls. What do i do now? All togather i have about $6,000 in parts and paint in this thing so far and now i have to do it all over again. Is there anything i can do to stick it to the painter? Ive got alot of hard work into this thing, its not even the cost of paint that bothers me so much as my time and labor, what are my options? Anyone deal with something like this before?

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TomTX

07-08-2006 19:23:25




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
Sorry Kevin, but it is your fault. NEVER just give a code to someone to paint for you. YOU go get the paint, and plenty of it. Have it all mixed the same time. Furnish the paint and just pay for the labor. Learned this many many years ago. Tom



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davpal

07-06-2006 21:51:31




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
I can tell you one big problem with painting individual pieces is you can get a different shade of paint color with the exact same batch of paint. It ALL has to do with the way the pigment "falls" when it is applied to a part. I personally had this happen when I had a truck professionally painted a few years back. I wanted the door jams done too so I had him remove the doors. Big mistake! He hung the doors by the hinges and therefore turned them 90 degrees to the finished truck. After installing them they were noticebly darker than the rest of the truck and they all got the exact same paint and number of coats. Never paint a vehicle without everything being installed or at least painted in direct relation to how it will be on the vehicle when it is done. The guy that made this mistake had painted for 20 years professionally. So even the pros can mess up with paint. You have to write it off. It is as much your fault as it is his. Next time paint the engine and drivetrain as an assembly. There is no merit for a lawsuit here. Painting can be a real challenge. I would just paint the block until it matches and you will be happy. You may have to do the whole drivetrain over but it will look right and you will be happy. Good luck.

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Weldin Man

07-06-2006 18:36:14




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
Have been painting for many years. Just a little advice, ALWAYS try to get enough paint mixed to do the job at the same time. Paint companies change their products so often that if you wait very long between mixings,it just won't match in some colors.



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Pony Man1

07-06-2006 17:14:30




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
It isn't kevins fault, I am sure he gave the painter the correct code. But I would set down and have a talk with the painter to see if you can work a deal of some sort.

If all else fails there is always the legal route (which in my honest opinion should always be the last resort, nothing worse then bringing it to the court).



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MF rules

07-06-2006 15:48:26




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
Kevin, I think you have a problem here!!!! Its just as much your fault as the painters fault....where were you through the whole painting process??? Did you go get the paint for him with the correct paint codes??? I do all my own restorations...from disassembly to painting to reassembling...start to finish. My personnal opinion is if you can't do all the work yourself then you better just forget it....take up another hobby!!! I know how frustrating it is when something you worked so hard on turns to crap at the final stages of the project but it happens to all of us.....just get mad and start tearing it apart again....take care and good luck

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cdmn

07-06-2006 13:13:57




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 12:02:51  
There are plenty of messages on here that spell out the correct paint codes. Did you use them?

http://www.masseycollectors.org/



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Kevin

07-06-2006 21:09:07




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to cdmn, 07-06-2006 13:13:57  
I am sure i gave him the correct paint codes. I know i did becuase he used them for the motor. Reason why i didnt paint it myself is becuase ive never painted before and i wanted this one to turn out nice so i didnt want it to be my experimental paint tractor. I gave over the paint code in the begging and part by part brought it to the painter, same paint code the whole time, yet color is different enough that a semi blind person can tell the difference.

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souNdguy

07-06-2006 22:15:52




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 Re: Big paint problems in restoration in reply to Kevin, 07-06-2006 21:09:07  
If he's painting part by part.. he may be getting different batches of paint.

When i buy multi quarts or gallons of paint for a big project..i always intermix ALL cans so that I will have uniform color.. perhaps this was the issue.

As for 'hung' parts.. the only time I've had a problem with that is on metalic laden paints.

I hung virtually every non-cast piece of my allis chalmers G when i painted it. It all looks uniform.

Soundguy

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