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Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions Pls

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MH in Oregon

06-28-2006 12:44:57




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Greetings Massey Harris owners and admirers!
The time has finally come for me to replace the cracked, (front tub, frame on the 1954 Massey-Harris 44 Special which I purchased about 2 years ago. I was actually able to find a 44 Special front frame, undamaged, from a parts tractor in New Jersey and had it shipped out. Whole other story there. But I would like to ask your advice on setting up the tractor for a SAFE and hopefully straightforward removal of the damaged front frame and getting the new 44 Special front frame on the transmission/rear end portion. I know that the tractor rear portion must be cribbed and very stable, but are there some tricks and special items to be aware of during the process of both removal and replacement? I will appreciate sincerely hearing from both Harris Guy and Marlowe, when they have the time.
Thank you in advance,
A Massey Harris fan in Oregon

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msb

06-28-2006 17:42:16




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 Re: Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions in reply to MH in Oregon, 06-28-2006 12:44:57  
Anytime I am assembling two parts of any significance, I will grind the heads off two or more bolts that fit the attaching pieces.Then grind a point on the bolts.Screw them into the threaded holes and use them for pilots.You can usually make them as long as you want.Sometimes I will use a hacksaw and cut a screwdriver slot in the pilots for easy removal.I keep a set in my toolbox that I have made over the years. Pilots are especially helpful when assembling heavy cast oil pans and intake and exhaust manifolds on large diesel engines and you don't have to fight with holding gaskets in place while starting the bolts.Makes the job a lot quicker and easier.Works real good for hub type duals too.

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msb

06-28-2006 17:38:15




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 Re: Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions in reply to MH in Oregon, 06-28-2006 12:44:57  
Anytime I am assembling two parts of any significance, I will grind the heads off two or more bolts that fit the attaching pieces.Then grind a point on the bolts.Screw them into the threaded holes and use them for pilots.You can usually make them as long as you want.Sometimes I will use a hacksaw and cut a screwdriver slot in the pilots for easy removal.I keep a set in my toolbox that I have made over the years. Pilots are especially helpful when assembling heavy cast oil pans and intake and exhaust manifolds on large diesel engines.Makes the job a lot quicker and easier.Works real good for hub type duals too.

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Harris Guy

06-29-2006 10:44:58




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 Re: Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions in reply to msb, 06-28-2006 17:38:15  
MS Bob has been all over these 44 questions, even as he does a complete 1947 44 restoration.Got that forged cast clutch pedal,black engine paint
located, Bob? The purists will be inspecting.
Our Oregon friend's worst nightmare is that someone has dirtied the water, by bolting up the
convenient part, a 44 U-frame, 3/8" thinner in
stress locations, than a Special. We know this was not a MH shop repair, thus, the extremely
important front engine shims issue arrises. Randy,
this is your wildcard. By chance, the shadetree
swap crew did use the shims from the front mounts.
There should be brass, often 2 or 3, on each side.
If there, they might have buttoned it up proper.
Missing? You can go to your stuck engine Special,
do some measuring from front side engine to tub,
on center of bolts. Not an exact Science, but that
one probably has factory shims. Your other plan is
to confirm input shaft alignment, as you drop the
engine/bell housing into the attached Special tub.
Pitch/angle seem off, play with the front shims.
Tranny case blocked front, rear, jack stands, tires blocked-keep stable. A commercial engine hoist will handle the engine/bell housing. Empty
tub can roll about on a HD hand truck. Mounted
tires make a good base to keep jacking the tub,
until level, with the transmission case. Check/clean your tranny bolt bosses, tops accept longer bolts than the manuals state. Inspect the lower center stud, it may be junk, too short, etc. What condition are your old 5/8" threaded cap bolts in? Some may well be too short, but were
in reach, at previous bolt up time. Quality work
surface, like concrete, will make for a safer job.
Good luck.

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MH in Oregon

06-30-2006 12:47:08




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 Re: Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions in reply to Harris Guy, 06-29-2006 10:44:58  
Thank you Harris Guy! Ah yes, the famous (or infamous!) shims. Had you not said something, could have easily been overlooked by me. Kansas Special, hopefully engine at least untampered with, should provide a decent background idea. And I am glad you mentioned keeping the front axle under the "tub" as assembly proceeds; I could have struggled without this potential stabilizing piece. Your's and Mud Sock Bob's advice is well-taken. In appreciation of your sharing,
MH in Oregon

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MH in Oregon

06-29-2006 10:10:09




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 Re: Front Frame Replacement: 44 Special - Cautions in reply to msb, 06-28-2006 17:38:15  
Hi there Mud Sock Bob, What a great tip! I can sure locate some bolts which are the size that attach the "canoe" to the transmission case. This tip sounds like a real time saver. Appreciate your help, MSB.
Regards, MH in Oregon



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