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Dean

05-23-2006 18:56:51




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Interesting experience today. Though never a true farmer, I've been around old tracotrs all of my life and have operated many, mostly for bush hogging my property that is steep and heavy in some places.

I have usually used Fords, e.g., 8N with Sherman combo, 860, 961, both 3 and 4 cylinder 4000s, all gassers. I usually use the 8N with 5 foot mower to cut in an area because it is nimble and slow in low/underdrive. Then I switch to the 860 with 6 foot cutter to finish it off.

This past fall/winter I bought 2 MF 35s with Perkins diesel engines, one because I wanted the equipment that was with it and the owner would not separate it, the other because I knew the owner and thought it was a good deal.

The first, a FE-35 I bought from a 82 year old gentleman who told me that he had farmed with both MFs and Fords and his FE-35 would "do more work than my 860 Ford." Yeah, yeah, 38HP verses 45, but I wanted the equipment so I bought it thinking that I would go over it over the winter and sell it in the spring and keep the equipment.

Being a tinker that can not leave well enough alone, I thoroughly went over the 35 this past winter, fixing and adjusting everything that I thought needed attention, changing all of the fluids, and replacing the few worn parts that I found. In so doung, I discovered that the tractor appeared to have very low hours (tach and cable both broken) as there was no perceptable wear in the original spindles or bushings, hydraulic cylinder bore or rings, etc. Additionally, one of the 14.9x24 rears though worn down to 60% or so appears to be original.

Over the winter I drove it around quite a bit while working on it but had no opportunity to really work it. Today, I made a For Sale sign and list of work that I had done to it in preparation for parking it out by the road to sell it. Then I hooked it up to my 6 foot cutter to try it out so that I could tell any potential buyer that everything seems to work well.

Quite a revelation! The old fellow was right. This tractor will out perform my (really good) 860 Ford. I expected it to be a 5 foot tractor but put the 6 foot cutter on it to make sure that the lift would lift it OK. By the way, I shut it off around 5:30. It is now 9:33 and the Damn tail wheel is still a foot or so off of the ground!

Though I have limited experience with diesel tractors aside from my 20 HP Kubota lawn mower, I am a good mechanic as well as an engineer and understand the relationship between HP and torque. I was, nevertheless, quite surprised by the performance of the 35. I set the throttle to 1600 RPM and headed for the thickest orchard grass on the place thinking that I would need to use low range second or even low when going up the steepest slopes.

In these conditions, my (really good) 8N with 5 foot cutter would be working hard in first gear underdirve and my (really good) 860 with 6 foot cutter would work up a sweat in third and I would probably need second at times. I use the very low first gear in some of the most thick and steep conditions when doing the first cutting.

Surprisingly, the 38 HP 3 cylinder Perkins diesel 35 handled the 6 footer easily in low/third with no perceptable change in RPM regardless of the terrain or thickness of the grass. It would pull it in high/first also but ground speed was a bit too fast for conditions.

What a dilema! I really planned to sell one or both of the 35s this spring/summer but now just can't do it.

Maybe, I'll make up a sign for the 8N and 860? Those things sell very well.

Thoughts?

Dean

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RICH, NY

05-24-2006 17:31:44




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 Re: Massey Convert? in reply to Dean, 05-23-2006 18:56:51  
Read some of the replies and I'll pass this along to you. I bought a gas to-35 back in 1981 for my gentlemen's farm upstate.Had it rebuilt 10 years back. I also have an 8N and between the two, we tamed my 97 acres. My 35 hp Ferguson pulls a 6' Howse Brushog with ease and this tractor is used exclusively for my annual woods lumbering-pay the taxes run. It's a great tractor, more so than the 8N. I wound up buying a MF375 w/Perkins diesel. I'm sold on the technology/capability.

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Dean

05-24-2006 18:45:19




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 Re: Massey Convert? in reply to RICH, NY, 05-24-2006 17:31:44  
No comparison between the 35 and the 8N and didn't mean to so imply. I did expect the 35 to compare less favorably to the 860 however but it seems to be its equal at least. I will know more tomorrow.

Dean



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Bill Brox

05-24-2006 10:22:34




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 Re: Massey Convert? Long in reply to Dean, 05-23-2006 18:56:51  
Hi Dean.

:-) you know what, I am a Ferguson / MF lover when it comes to tractors, and I am Ford lover when it comes to cars... 1965 Ford Galaxie.

I would be in a big trouble in your situation.

What can be said about the FE / MF 35 with the Perkins diesel engine is that it has the diesel engine that has been produced in biggest numbers ever in the entire world. It may sound strange, but no other diesel engine have been produced in greater numbers than the 3 cyl. Perkins.
I guess it is a reason for it. From my experience they are amazing little workhorses.

Dean, can you do us all a favor ? Can you please check the fuel consumption on the FE 35 ?
I can't wait to hear about the result.


Best regards, Bill

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Dean

05-26-2006 17:29:50




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 Re: Massey Convert? Long in reply to Bill Brox, 05-24-2006 10:22:34  
Bill:

As promised some feedback about fuel consumption. Today was a big mowing day. I used the FE-35 rather than the usual Ford 860 to mow very heavy orchard grass on very steep ground with many obstacles for about 4+ hours. Between today and yesterday the FE-35 used about 4+ gallons of diesel while the 860 would have used about 8+ gallons of gasoline to do the same amount of work in about the same time.

So far, the best advantage of the diesel, that I have observed, aside from much less fuel usage, is that the RPMs do not decrease in heavy grass. Though the 860 has more rated HP, it will pull down 2 or 3 hundred RPMs in heavy grass before the governor increases the throttle enough to hold the load. The FE-35 walks through the heavy stuff with little or no decrease in RPM.

Now, if I could just figure out a way to prevent the exhaust from turning part of my mower black? (Can't use a verticle exhaust because I drive under many low hanging branches.)

Dean

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Dean

05-24-2006 18:41:58




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 Re: Massey Convert? Long in reply to Bill Brox, 05-24-2006 10:22:34  
I plan to do that tomorrow, Bill if the weather holds. I've got the 6 footer on the FE-35 and plan to mow the big, steep, heavy field. I made the first cut in round this evening with the 8N with Sherman combo and 5 foot cutter. It's great for cutting things in because it's very nimble and with the Sherman in underdrive it is slow and hard to stop. This area is not only steep and heavy but there are many obstacles. The first round took aver 3 hours. Usually the second round takes less than half that and it just gets better after that.

Normally I switch over to the 860 Ford after the first round but tomorrow I plan to use the FE-35. I've been told that they are fuel misers. If the weather holds I will post back tomorrow with fuel results. It's full now.

Dean

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Rick(wat,on)

05-23-2006 19:16:20




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 Re: Massey Convert? Long in reply to Dean, 05-23-2006 18:56:51  
Hello Dean. Not a very decision to make. Keep the MFs and sell the fords. I love all old tractors and am not devoted to one colour or the next, but the 35 diesels are hands down a really good tractor for the size of them. Live power versus non live on the 9n. Means you can actually stop the tractor and let the mower catch up if you have too. Two speed tranny. The list could go on for ever. And parts will probably be available for a very long time from the dealer at a reasonable cost. Thats why they tend to bring big bucks at most farm auctions. Hope this helps. Rick.

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