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Rear wheel removal

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Kenny D

04-07-2006 15:51:48




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My grandfather and I have a Massey 1130 and we have to remove the left rear wheel. What would be the easiest method of doing this since the wheel has never been taken off before?




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Ed Lotterman

04-11-2006 10:36:00




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 Re: Rear wheel removal in reply to Kenny D, 04-07-2006 15:51:48  
Kenny: I am glad it worked out. I didn't mean to ask a lot of dumb questions but I just was not sure what problem you had.

I had a split cone type hub like this on an Allis Chalmers 190-XT. It came with three bolts threaded to fit the tapped outer hub. They were maybe 6" long but the last 2" or so were turned down to a smaller diameter. When you took the three regular bolts out you screwed these in. The turned down ends pushed against the bottom of the drilled & tapped hole in the inner cone of the hub, forcing the two apart. You would turn one about 1/2 turn, then the next one then the next one. It did not take a lot and the cone would pop apart. Then you had to slide it on the axle.

We used a short length of chain, bolted it to a couple of points on the wheel so it passed over the center of the axle. Then we would use a scissors jack held against the end of the axle with the chain passing over the top of the jack. As you jacked the chain would pull on both sides of the wheel and it moved pretty easily. It helped if you wire brushed the axle and put some old oil on it.

That was for pulling the hub out or setting the wheels wider. Pushing it back in was another story. We never did find an easy way to do that.

If you need to do this again, take out one bolt and measure how deep the hole is with a rod or piece of wire. Get a bolt that fits the threads of the hub and is a couple inches longer than the total depth. If there is someone in the area with a lathe they can turn the threads off 2"-3" at the end of the bolts or you could grind them down. The turned down part has to be able to slide inside the threaded parts of the hubs.

Good luck!

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Kenny D

04-09-2006 07:12:22




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 Re: Rear wheel removal in reply to Kenny D, 04-07-2006 15:51:48  
Alright, after a few hours of straining, alot of STP and WD-40, I finally got the wheel off. Eric, you were right. There were a few threads in the extra holes, the struggle was getting the bolts through here just to get them to touch the hub. Just taking it a little at a time, I finally got them. She does have a tapered hub too. Once the wheel was off and out of the way, I could get a better look at what happened. It was the main seal that popped, I could see it sticking out behind the hub. Now comes the fun of taking everything apart, raising the cab and all that jazz. Thanks for everyones help. I know where to come for answers in the future.

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Ed Lotterman

04-07-2006 22:04:12




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 Re: Rear wheel removal - tell us some more in reply to Kenny D, 04-07-2006 15:51:48  
Removing the rear wheel and tire is not hard if you are set up to handle heavy weight. Be careful as you can get hurt if you don't keep things under control. Let me ask a could of questions?

Why are you taking it off? are you going to repair the wheel or rim or do something to the tire> Of are you taking it off because you need to get at the brakes or rear axle?

Do you have a 8 ton or heavier hydraulic bottle jack? Do you have some 2' long 6" by 6" or 8" by 8" to support the jack and the tractor while the wheel is off>

Do you have a flat concrete area where you can work? Not necessary, but awfully handy and safer.

Do you have another gractor with a loader that can lift and swing the wheel and tire clear when you get the bolts out?

Do you have an air impact wrench with an impact socket of the correct size? Or can you get a 3/4' drive cocket set with a flex or sliding T handle that you can put a length of pipe on if necessary.

Experiment with getting some bolts loose one by one and then tightening the snug before you jack the tractor up and start to take them all out at once. It the bolts are really tight, try dripping penetrating oil nywhere you can get at then and tapping then with a hammer at intervals. If you don't have something like a tractor loader to suspend the tire and wheel when you take it off, then have plans to have enough help so that you can roll the tire away from the tractor without it getting away from you.

Does the tire have fulid ballast in the tires to increase weight? You can have the fluid pumped out and then put in again if you are going to ahve a hard or dangerous time handling wheels with fluid in.

Good luck, tell us how it turns out or email is for further advice. It was not clear from your question where you anticipated having problems.

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Kenny D

04-08-2006 05:13:23




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 Re: Rear wheel removal - tell us some more in reply to Ed Lotterman, 04-07-2006 22:04:12  
I got to thinking last night after I posted this that I needed to explain a little more. Those are some very good questions and I can answer all of them. The reason we are taking it off is to replace the main seal around the bell housing of the transmission. I was spreading chick manure the other day and heard a loud BANG. When I stopped to load the spreader, there was a puddle of oil underneath of her. We found a grease fitting under there by chance a few weeks ago and had no clue it was there. We think that the problem is linked to not putting in grease like we should've. We have the tractor jacked up now and it is sitting on 8" x 8" blocks and such. She is stable. We are working in one of our sheds with a concrete surface and we got the 4 bolts out of the wheel and chains wrapped around it to pull it off with our loader and it won't budge. This is where we are having trouble. We did notice a key in the slotted groove on the axle. Does this have anything to do with taking it off? There are 2 extra holes around the hub, what are they for? They just had plastic caps in them. Are they for screwing bolts in to help pop the wheel off? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Eric in IL

04-08-2006 11:01:57




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 Re: Rear wheel removal - tell us some more in reply to Kenny D, 04-08-2006 05:13:23  
Kenny,
It sounds like you may be dealing with a taper lock hub. Case uses them on the 70 series tractors, however I am not that familiar with the Massey 1130. Are the two "extra" holes you refered to threaded? If so they may be used to force the taper apart. Try screwing a couple bolts in those two holes and tighten them a little at a time and evenly. Then a sharp rap with a hammer to the heads of the bolts.Repeat tightening and striking with hammer, It should pop apart. Then you can insert a chisel or some type of wedge in the split of the hub to remove it from the axle.

That is how it works on a Case anyway, hope it helps.

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