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TRC

03-20-2006 07:27:05




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for a steering gear? I had a leaking seal in my steering box and took it apart to see what else needed to be replaced. No problems other than the leak. Thought I had things pretty well in hand until I discovered this...

third party image Luckily I found the broken tooth in the front of the steering gear housing...

third party image Guess the repair just took a little more costly turn...

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Ed Lotterman

03-23-2006 04:01:36




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to TRC, 03-20-2006 07:27:05  
I'm sorry, I had not looked at the picture closely enough. Yes, it looks like the shaft is splined and the gear is pressed on. That will press back off pretty easily. Cutting an internal spline is a little complicated. In a factory situation they are cut with a broach that is pushed or pulled through the bore of the gear. But if you press this gear off, and find a replacement stock gear, you can turn the splines down to a stock diameter and press the new gear on. You can then braze the gear to the shaft itself. That will be harder to fix if it ever breaks again, but that is pretty rare.

Lots of components like this are manufactured in the way they are because it is the cheapest manufacturing method in some given situation. Pressing an internally splined gear on a splined shaft is faster than machining the gear and shaft to the tolerances needed for an interference fit nor does it require any brazing or welding of what is probably a cast iron gear to a cold-rolled steel shaft. But that does not mean that you have to repair it in exactly the same way.

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Ed Lotterman

03-23-2006 03:51:59




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to TRC, 03-20-2006 07:27:05  
There are machine shops that can build up a missing tooth like that by brazing and then grinding to shape. Chandler Machine in Chandler MN 56122 has done that for me. It is not exact for a very high speed application but I have seen it done for corn picker gear boxes and they turn a lot faster than a gear like this in a steering box.

A machine shop that has a milling machine can mill a new gear. Easiest is they have a horizontal mill rather than a vertical mill like a Bridgeport. They need a dividing head and they need a set of gear cutters of that pitch.

I'll bet that the gear is a pressed / shrunk interference fit on that shaft. I doubt that a part like that was machined "from the solid". They probably machined the shaft itself and then pressed or shrank the gear onto it. If you measure around the gear and tell me the number of teeth, I can look up what pitch gear it is. You can get a lot of stock spur gears like that from places that sell power train components. Boston Gear and Martin are two brand names for stock gears.

If you have a oxy-LP or oxy-acetylene heating torch and a hydraulic press I'd try heating the broken gear, keeping the heat as much as possible toward the outside of the gear and off the shaft itself. When you get the outside starting to glow a bit support the gear well in the bed of the press and press on the center of the shaft. If it isn't a press fit you are not going to harm it and if it is, I'll bet the gear will come off and it will be a stock item that you can get at an industrial supply house.

You don't have a lot to lose playing around with the broken part and I think there are a number of ways you can rebuild the part you have. If you give me the specs on the gear, distance around the outside of the teeth, diameter, number of teeth and width of the face of the teeth (or thickness of the gear if it has a uniform thickness) I'll look in my gear company catalogs and tell you if it is close to stock. If you can measure the thickness of the shaft immediately beside the gear part.

Even if the component was made in one piece by machining from one solid billet of metal, that does not mean that you cannot put it in a lathe, cut the gear off (just turn the gear down) to the diameter of the rest of the shaf and then press a standard gear on in place of this one. If you are a good machinist you can make it a press fit and if you cannot get the tolerance just right, you can slip the new gear on and then braze it or even stick it a few places with a wire-feed welder.

It all depends on whether it is a stock-type gear or not, but if it is you have several options.

I have a lathe and could turn it down for you. I live in St. Paul MN. But you probably have a machine shop in your area that can do it just as well and can advise you on other ways to fix this.

Ed Lotterman
St. Paul MN

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Don-Wi

03-21-2006 20:20:04




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to TRC, 03-20-2006 07:27:05  
Where are you at? I don't know how much it would cost, but I work at a shop that makes sprockets & gears. We can only do a limited style of internal splines, but we could also cut the old teeth off, make a new gear and weld it on the hub left from the old gear. We've done this many times before and it works great if theres enough meat there to work with.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Harris Guy

03-20-2006 10:00:29




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to TRC, 03-20-2006 07:27:05  
Appears to have more than seven teeth. What did this sector shaft come out of? Perhaps then a
source of a supplier can be located.



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TRC

03-20-2006 11:48:24




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to Harris Guy, 03-20-2006 10:00:29  
Oops. Sorry. Thought I had included that in the earlier posting. This is out of a MF135 with manual steering. Tim



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cbosworth

03-21-2006 15:51:59




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to TRC, 03-20-2006 11:48:24  
maybe...check ebay. someone is parting out a MF135 for about $500. he wants to sell all but maybe you can work something out or buy it and use more parts.



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TRC

03-21-2006 16:05:43




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 Re: Anybody know of a cheap source... in reply to cbosworth, 03-21-2006 15:51:59  
Thanks! I'll check it out.



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